BereanThinker7

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  "Are you the plumber?"

  by Jourles in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been debating whether or not to post this story simply because the org knows who i am (post history from pre-'05 will tell you all you need to know), and i'm not sure if they would give my parents shit if they knew what transpired earlier this summer.

  but you know what, i don't care what they do, because my mom is dying of stage iv cancer and i feel this needs to be heard by anyone struggling with the loss of contact from their relatives.. for those who are not familiar with my background, i became a small thorn in the side of the wts while i was still in.

  i'm not big on being deceived, and for me, the org crossed my personal 'red line' when it came to blood and the child abuse issue.

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  This definitly is a triumph of sorts over the indoctrination! Thank you for posting.
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  Question for Mulan.......

  by jimbob in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you mentioned a little while ago that you were going to post something from reinhard lengtat.

  i was wondering if that was still in the works?

  i'd sure like to read what he has to say.

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  BereanThinker7

  Little too late on this one? Lol
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  BereanThinker7

  Strong work, a different view and reasoning probably most witnesses have ever thought of!
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  Then is Finished - The Mockery of God

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in case you think you've heard it all, have you heard that the wts has made the following claims:.

  1. they and other holy angels are god's wife, therefore the wts elite is the "mother" of christ himself.. .

  " the wts elite, of course!.

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  BereanThinker7

  commenting for future reference
  
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  Early Editions of The New Creation (Vol 6) on the New Covenant

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  seems like i've read that the earliest editions of the new creation by russell taught that the new covenant was in force for christians of this era.

  then after russell wrote that, he changed his views and put the new covenant as something future and not now in effect.

  he then later changed the text in the new creation to reflect this new view (i've been told this was about 1909) and this helped precipitate what's been called the new covenant schism.

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  BereanThinker7

  Ever have any luck with this?
  
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  How to remain with Jehovah's Witnesses even though you are Awake!

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thinking is an active process.. evasion is avoiding that action of active thinking which would create a positive difference.

  .realizing the truth about the truth.. thinking is the virtue* man prizes most.

  all other virtues proceed from thinking.. evasion is the willful suspension of one's consciousness.

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  BereanThinker7

  Im assuming this is either satirical or an examination on what witnesses do who have encountered TTATT but let the cognitive dissonance keep them in?
  
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  "Lone Ranger Christianity"

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some may enjoy this thread at the channel c forum.

  by jim penton, it's about what he calls, "lone ranger christianity".

  there are quite a few responses there, in the ongoing discussion.. .

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  I fall in with agreement that being a "lone ranger christian" isn't the best idea. That was originally my plan when I walked away from the organization. Its not really a salvation issue by any means I would say. Its just extremely difficult. True there have been plenty who have had to be "lone rangers" through the ages for whatever reason but I find it so much more satisfactory and up building to be able to get together with others. Ironically enough I also associate the "Free Bible Students", the group in Lombard IL whose church is named the Berean Bible Students. They split from Russell and his crazier ideas way back in 1907 with the "New Covenant Schism." Also ironically enough I only just recently found out that Penton has ties with them as well. lol
  
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  christian millenial fellowship

  by musky in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone ever received the magazine from the christian millenial fellowship?

  was just wondering what others thought of it.

  i enjoyed reading it.

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  They still publish "The New Creation" bi-monthly. I receive it and enjoy it, it's not very large and easy reading. The Christian Millennial Fellowship changed their name a few years back to Christian Discipling Ministries International "to better reflect the work of building up fellow Christians to maturity in Christ, and there are now many free Christians congregations in foreign countries that have embraced its message and are actively spreading the good news."

  Its through CDMI I actually found the "Free Bible Student" congregation I associate with and immensely enjoy. I think alot of times exjw's hear the bible student term and get scared of thinking pyramid charts and that nonsense (I know I did) but I didn't realize there were groups who broke of from the "Society" way back in 1907 due to some of Russells wackiness and they have spread all over and associate with one another without a hierarchy.

  This probably best sums up what most "Free Bible Students" hold in common.

  https://web.archive.org/web/20090803103854/http://www.cmfellowship.org/docs/faq.htm
  
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  A conversation with M. James Penton (Watchtower historian, author and former elder)

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  john cedars' youtube channel has a new video interview with james penton.

  lloyd asks some good questions and jim provides excellent insights about jw history and where the movement may be headed.. i had the pleasure of meeting jim and his former wife, now passed away, at the christian believers conference (of bible students).

  http://www.cbconference.com/.

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  I recently have been associating with the "Free Bible Students" and saw his name on a prayer list in the monthly newsletter. I was like no way could that be the same Penton? Sure enough it is. I hope to be able to meet him at a conference and wish him could health for years to come! Not many are left who were around for the post 1975 craziness with Franz getting the boot and all that.
  
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  Bible Students Question

  by lambsbottom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've know ttatt for over three years.

  stopped going to meetings three months ago.

  i recently contacted the bible students.

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  Im late to the draw on this, but I have found associating with the "Free Bible Students" immensly refreshing and encouraging. They aren't dogmatic at all and have long since left behind Russells nonsense. Most of the groups actually broke off way back in 1907 with the New Covenant debacle. Christian Discipling Ministries International is still around today and can probably help coordinate where any similar believers may be close to you. No plan of the ages charts lol. Just loving people looking to encourage one another.