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  serena williams

  by FreeFallin in

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  not really a scandal, but serena williams doing the crip walk on national tv wtf .

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  liam

  Liam, you should check out old posts here and what people have had to endure being a jw and especially by the elders.
  

  Not far fetch at all. In the earlier 90's
  

  It seems like before the internet, there was no way to post on social media the crazy stuff elders did back then. The WT culture was rife with crazy shenanigans by those in charge.

  It's different today. The elders are very careful in what they do. They are aware of how easy it is to record with phone and hand it over to the police. Imagine two elders peeping through a window and getting caught on video. Off to jail they will go plus it will be all over social media that two Jehovah witness elders were caught peeping through a window. They would be toast.

  Also most of the ones who attend the Kingdom Halls are people in their 60s and up. Most of the middle age and young ones don't attend, they ZOOM. The young and middle age only attend when they have a part.

  Also there is no pressure to make so many hours in field service, all one had to do now is check the box that say you participated. I know several that haven't gone door to door since Covid lock down. They just write a letter or two and check the box.Hardly anyone goes out door to door anymore. From what they tell me, maybe four go out door to door on Saturdays. Most just write letters.

  They can't even find enough brothers to handle the mics.
  

  You can't tell the difference anymore between a JW and a "Worldly" person, All the men wear beards and most don't know how to keep them nice and trim. Most women wear pants. A lot just go casual and tennis shoes.
  

  There no more hunting to disfellowshlip members. Now the elders have even been given instructions that if a minor committed fornication, the parents are suppose to handle it. In fact there is no more disfellowshipping. A member is simply removed if he is stubborn and wants to continue in a certain course not approve. A person can get reinstated almost immediately if they come back.

  From what my parents tell me, the organization is just not the same. People have lost their faith in Jehovah. And it doesn't really seem like the end is coming in their life-time. That's actually what many believe now. But since they hardly attend the meetings, nothing is made of it.

  I'm sure there are some congregations where the elders are old and strict, but those congregations with elders in their 30s-40s it's different.
  
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  serena williams

  by FreeFallin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not really a scandal, but serena williams doing the crip walk on national tv wtf .

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  liam

  truthlover123

  If one was rumored to be having an affair, elders or certain ones in the congregation took to peeping in windows to try and catch them

  LOL.....that sounds a little far-fetch.

  I can't even picture a group of elders peeping in someone's window to try to catch them doing wrong. I've seen comedies of adults doing that to their children but GROWN ASS MEN WHO ARE ELDERS!

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NBP_yI7Ezes
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  serena williams

  by FreeFallin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not really a scandal, but serena williams doing the crip walk on national tv wtf .

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  liam

  Magnum Back in those earlier days, any congreagation I'm aware of would have been shocked to see a JW do what Serena did, and it's really not the dancing, but just being there in that situation......The endtimes mindset was strong.
  

  Sounds like I dodged a bullet.

  Today, just about everyone 30 years old and below, don't give a hoot about what others do. It's more of a place where all your friends you grew up with go there, and you go there to hang out with them. Once some get married, they basically stop going to the KH, step down from privileges, and stay away from elders.

  I guess that's what you call FADING.
  

  Most stay on ZOOM for the sake of parents, but most don't believe in the END TIMES. They all know 607 is wrong.They know about all the child sex abuse in the organization. They know it's just another religion being supported by boomers and gen X.
  

  The next generation of born ins will be even more vocal about not having anything to do with Watchtower. Especially since the parents who are 25-30 years old today are just in for the sake of parents.

  Two more generations of born in and it's over for the Watchtower.
  
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  Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!

  by liam in

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  we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?

  that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.

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  I'm completely in the dark as to context. Has there been a recent WT article saying something stupid about aging?

  The reason we get OLD and die is because there was a challenge to Jehovah by Satan that if he allowed humans to rule themselves, they could do a better job with a better outcome.

  This is one of the Main Core teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses that is suppose to answer the question; "Why do we get old and die"

  So Jehovah accepted the challenge and is letting us humans rule ourselves to see if we do a better job than Him. If there was no challenge, we would never get old.
  
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  serena williams

  by FreeFallin in

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  not really a scandal, but serena williams doing the crip walk on national tv wtf .

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  liam

  You weren't a JW in the 70's or 80's or 90's, were you?

  LOL, I wasn't even born. I'm still in my twenties. My family is sort of JWs but not real strong since Covid.

  I guess those years were a pretty crazy time to be a Jehovah Witness.

  It's not like that anymore. Only the old timers are very strict, but the young ones don't pay any attention to them. Of course there are some young ones that want to be elders but not very many. Even then, those wanna be elders go to night clubs, do Serena stuff, and don't take all the rules seriously.

  I don't attend the Kingdom Hall anymore, but once in a while I go to hear a relative's talk and the kingdom Halls are not like most JWs describe them.

  Here's a post on reddit who describes exactly what a Kingdom Hall looks like these days. Keep in mind that almost all the men and boys have beards, very few of the women wear dresses, Some of the speakers wear a tie, a coat and tennis shoes. It's not like my dad tells me that they used to all wear suits, ties, dress shoes, and the women were all dressed in nice modest dresses.

  Oh, and most don't attend the KH, they ZOOM, Plus, nobody really goes out in service door to door anymore. It's carts and letter writing.
  

  You can read the rest here to get an idea of what a KH looks like now days.He describes it pretty well.
  

  Is it just me or does the atmosphere feel different? Or should I say indifferent?

  I wonder if it’s because I am PIMO, but I honestly think there is a lack of enthusiasm and apathy now.

  These are things I have noticed:

  Yesterday, the attendant minding the front door could barely muster a smile. He just looked put out to be there at all. At least a third of the congregation strolled in late. A lot are openly texting on their phone.

  Also, frumpiness and sloppiness seem to be acceptable now. Running shoes with suits. Very casual and sometimes wrinkled pants worn by the boys handling the mics. I personally couldn’t care less what people wear, my point is that these things would not have been acceptable in the past (pre-pandemic and pre-changes to dress and grooming)

  It’s interesting that I have seen the wife of an elder at maybe 4 meetings in the past year and their 2 children once. Apparently on Zoom. Good for them, but aren’t they supposed to be “exemplary”? 😏

  The same people commenting meeting after meeting and the same small group of sisters who actually give talks.

  Am I being hopeful in this gradual decline of enthusiasm? I wonder.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1imaglr/my_fellow_pimos_does_it_feel_different_at_the/
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  serena williams

  by FreeFallin in

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  2. scandals

  not really a scandal, but serena williams doing the crip walk on national tv wtf .

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  liam

  The lyrics are..............well, not very "Godly"

  But How is that Different from all the Child Sexual abuse committed by "Holy Spirit Appointed Elders" that has been covered up since the 50s according to the ARC?
  
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  Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!

  by liam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?

  that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.

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  liam

  We get old because Jehovah had to prove to all the Angels that his way of ruling was the best?

  That's the sorriest argument the Watchtower has come up with.
  

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hZ_JqJKjo
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  serena williams

  by FreeFallin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not really a scandal, but serena williams doing the crip walk on national tv wtf .

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  liam

  I don't see what the problem is

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/abgcHJKnCqc

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn5uZ10WiyE
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  What will happen to the Watchtower Religion now that Trump has Withdrawn from certain aspects of the United Nations.

  by liam in

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  so trump has signed an executive order to withdraw from the united nations human rights council, a refugee organization, some others parts as well and calls for a review of american involvement in funding of the united nations.

  he said the united nations has not been living to its potential and they need to get their act together or just dissolve the organization completely.

  he said america will continue to be a part of the un but it's tiring that the united states is the country that funds most of the monies and that can't continue.

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  JW Vaccine mandate: The contrast between voices of reason and confusion

  by ukpimo in

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  i was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.

  another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.

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  liam

  Vidqun

  So Liam, what would be an answer to all your questions?

  "There are no solutions, only trade-offs"

  In life, every choice comes with costs and compromises, rather than perfect solutions.

  This perspective encourages a realistic understanding of human nature and societal issues.

  This Truth suggests that we should focus on finding the best possible trade-offs instead of seeking unattainable ideal solutions.

  Thomas Sowell