Posts by liam

12 days ago 3 elders in Brazil were sentenced for disfellowship announcement which is against the law in certain parts of Brazil. The first article discusses that.

The second article discusses the outcome so far

In 2024, a couple in Brazil informed three elders that their names could not be announced due to data protection laws. Despite this, the elders proceeded with the public disfellowshipping announcement. In response, the couple filed a lawsuit against them.

On Friday, a Brazilian court ruled against the three elders, ordering them to pay compensation and issue a "proportional/similar” announcement in a meeting to repair the moral damage caused. More details are in the video below (sorry it is in Portuguese):

The elders are expected to appeal the decision.

Second article

A few points to clarify: Contrary to what was stated in the video, the Watchtower was also part in the case and was sentenced. However, the elders had different lawyers from the ones representing the Watchtower, they had to instruct their own lawyers.

The elders were also sentenced to announce in the meeting (translated as "service") that the disfellowship announcement of the claimants violated constitutional rights and that Jehovah's Witnesses are free to associate with them. Hopefully, this decision will help others in similar situations. The fight goes on.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1j2013p/3_elders_in_brazil_sentenced_for/?share_id=IbTWW-Kyz_gwR1ICpb9jA&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_source=share&utm_term=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jbd3jc/copy_of_the_sentence_in_brazil_against_3_elders/

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The Watchtower Wins, Disfellowshipping stays, Shunning stays.

by liam in

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb6nv6/jw_vs_norway_march_2025_from_jan_frode_nilsen/.

the verdict is out.

after full understanding and decision by the state administrator, full confirmation in the appeal case by the ministry of children and family affairs, three victories in the injunction case, a full victory in the district court, we now faced a loss in the court of appeal.

liam

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb6nv6/jw_vs_norway_march_2025_from_jan_frode_nilsen/

The verdict is out.

After full understanding and decision by the State Administrator, full confirmation in the appeal case by the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs, three victories in the injunction case, a full victory in the district court, we now faced a loss in the Court of Appeal.

These are the kinds of things you always risk when fighting against someone who never gives up, who has unlimited resources to hire teams of the most expensive lawyers you can find, and lobbying forces that manage to get even human rights organizations like the Norwegian Helsinki Committee to take their side and work against our case.

I have not read the verdict, have not read the reasoning, have not seen what the consequences will be. I expect the State to appeal this to the Supreme Court, which JV would also do if they lost. In that sense, this does not have any consequences right now, beyond a little disappointment.

"Liv Inger Gabrielsen at the Government Attorney represented the state at the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs in court. She comments on the verdict as follows:

– The Court of Appeal shares the ministry's view that the practice of Jehovah's Witnesses towards children who violate the norms of the religious community and risk exclusion can be very unpleasant, humiliating and demanding, among other things because they can lose contact with family members and friends. Nevertheless, the court "doubts" that this is not psychological violence that violates children's rights, she writes to Vårt Land."

Unfortunately, the law has its limitations when you always have to deal with people who have no idea whatsoever about how such groups work. How language works, how control works. How total control over people cannot be transferred to written arguments in a completely different setting.

But no matter what happens, the point of this has always been public education, understanding, community, the desire for reforms, the need to tell our story. Establishing the voices of those who should never be allowed to have a voice.

The fight for the freedom to be able to make one's life choices without facing heavy, life-destroying reprisals from the same organization that received state support in our name.

That fight continues. If the Court of Appeal's judgment stands up to the Supreme Court, §6 of the Religious Communities Act is in practice stone dead and will never be used anywhere. If it cannot be used against JV and their detailed instructions for how defectors are to be punished, it will not be used against anyone else either. Then it must be rewritten.

The last chapter has not been written anyway.

Here is my comment in Vårt Land:

Jan Frode Nilsen is a former member of Jehovah's Witnesses and has testified for the state in court. He is disappointed by the judgment.

I am critical of the judgment, but cannot go into depth without having read the reasoning. There is something about the sentence "it was not made probable either". If you can't prove Section 6 to a religious community that has written instructions on exclusion, then Section 6 of the Religious Communities Act is completely dead, he says.

He also points out that judges often have a different opinion of the matter than those who have lived in the religious community.

Law and religion are two worlds that collide, and therefore there can be differences in the understanding of how closed religious communities function, he says.

Nilsen clarifies to Vårt Land that he has not yet read the reasoning of the Court of Appeal.

I have always expected that this case would go to the Supreme Court. The difference is that they enter as "winners", I had hoped to avoid that.

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I think I may be becoming an X-X-JW

by joe134cd in

i think i may be moving on shortly.

i officially joined this web-site 12 years ago as pimo about to exit the organisation.

i had spent about a year before that, as just a none commenting member.

liam

I'm new here and also to new to other exjw sites. I've seen several exjw say the same thing, that they are done with jw stuff. But eventually they come back. Not because they want to come back to Jehovah witness stuff. But because even if we are not interested in Watchtower Doctrine anymore, All of us,exjws or not, live in a crazy world run by people who are worse idiots than the Governing Body. And those people who have power over us, are worse because they use the law of their Countries against us average citizens.

The Governing Body gives us a glimpse of what a small group of men with total control over some 9 million people, can do to people with good intentions who are just trying to figure out what some Supreme Being/God wants from them.

Jehovah's Witnesses who "Believe" the the GB are good people, are just people that still haven't figured out the GB are just another part of the Human species who are just as evil as most of the politicians on the planet.

For many of us that have left, it gives us better insight on how to deal with situations when a few men are given the power to rule over us. We can't escape that because Humans still haven't evolved to the point where we realize the We Don't Need Rulers. People still want Human Rulers to tell them what to do. And as long as that's the case, we can help one another with input from each other.

I don't know anything from other parts of the world, but I learn from some here that live in a different part of the world. Unfortunately what happens across the Ocean thousands of miles from my home Might affect me.

So I always stay in touch with exjw sites. There have been many times someone, on an exjw site said something that has nothing to do with the Watchtower, but world events, that saved my ass in one way or another.

These days, the media cannot be trusted. You have to get information from different sources, and filter them until you find the truth of what's happening. That's what us young people who have left the WT are doing.

That being said, you might considering visiting from time to time to see what's going on in the World.

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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al

by Terry in

jw
friends

to dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.

i tasked a.i.

with a pro vs con proposition.

liam

Is AI accurate in this case?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QNigPU_nbgc

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Dodge has found 4.7 Trillion Dollars in Untraceable money

by liam in

elon was looking at the way they audit within the government agencies.

he found there are no links to payments made.

250 million payment………..to………………..consultant……..name ………..unknown.

liam

Free yourself and your mind from these new "cults" "gurus" and "leaders". They all have agendas.

So do you!

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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al

by Terry in

jw
friends

to dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.

i tasked a.i.

with a pro vs con proposition.

liam

Here is an example of how Strong the CIA is. Just a few hours ago top brass at CIA leaked to CNN, sending a Warning to President Trump and Elon,

“Continue your Federal Downsizing and your audits.”

“BUT DON’T DO IT AT CIA OR THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Z8iq_k9yo

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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al

by Terry in

jw
friends

to dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.

i tasked a.i.

with a pro vs con proposition.

liam

Terry; The balance of evidence tilts toward a Ukrainian-linked sabotage team, likely acting with tacit or deniable support from Kyiv’s military

Blowing up the pipe line was not an easy operation to carry out. But it’s the kind of operation that USA covert operations like CIA has carried out many times giving them the experience to carry out such a task successfully and keep it out of the main stream media for a period of time

The only reason they were not able to keep it hidden this time is because Biden foolishly Announced to the News Reporters that the intention was to end North Stream if Russia invaded Ukraine.

See the video on top where Biden said clearly; “IF RUSSIAN INVADES UKRAINE, THERE WILL BE NO LONGER A NORTH STREAM, WE WILL BRING AN END TO IT.”

News Caster asked Biden; “How will you do that?”

Biden answered; “I PROMISE YOU WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT”

See video on top at mark; 16:00

Any Organization connected to the Ukrainian Government doesn’t have the capacity or the means to carry out such a complex operation. Also Ukraine would never do it Without the USA approval, so there is no way some rogue Ukrainian operation would be responsible for blowing it up, risking support from the USA.

The Intelligence Agency DEI was in charge of protecting American Citizens from any threats.

by liam in

tulsi gabbard newly appointed director has discovered something disgusting and is firing hundreds of nsa employees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=popidqpkujo.

liam

Tulsi Gabbard newly appointed Director has discovered something disgusting and is firing hundreds of NSA employees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoPiDqpKUJo

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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al

by Terry in

jw
friends

to dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.

i tasked a.i.

with a pro vs con proposition.

liam

Blotty
Call me nuts - over half the stuff I hear about the Ukraine war or vaccines or what comes out of trumps mouth...Putin has proved he is a very smart man - I wouldn't put it past him to blow up the pipeline to get the suspicion onto the west, because it doesn't "benefit" him, actually it does, It makes Russia look like the victim.

nuts; You don't know anything about Geopolitics, at least read a couple of books on the subject

15:30 mark video From Biden's own mouth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fv_nKyF_5g

Its actually concerning how stupid the general public is..

And yet, you say this;

second sentence and can be fact checked with a single google search on the subject

You don't have the slightest idea who pulls the strings on google