Posts by TheSurvivor

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How Have U Changed since Leaving?

by patio34 in

i've been thinking about changes in my world view lately and wonder if others have had a similarly subtle, yet profound, outlook on life.

not being a jw nor even a believer anymore has made a subtle change that ive observed.

to begin with, i read somewhere that people tend to bring their own standards to their religion.

TheSurvivor

How many of us, including me, watched the movie Braveheart and CHEERED when 'Ole Mel screamed FREEEEEEEDOMMMMMM! I know this was more about political freedom, but it still gave me the shivers since I was sitting there thinking that his tormentor was much like the Elders. Then again, maybe every injustice, immoral and underhanded thing reminds me of them these days. But the main theme is *freedom*. You are free to live as the Pilgrims did. The Pilgrims did not believe in organized religion....that is what they fled. They just believed in God, being good people, and serving him the best way they could. I think I have been a Pilgrim for a long time.

TheSurvivor

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Starry Starry Night....

by TheSurvivor in

how many people here have had close friends or aquaintances in the truth take their own life?

i know that this may be a very deep subject, and i do not mean to dredge up bad memories, but i just ran across the lyrics to vincent aka starry starry night.

it was the first time that i ever actually read the words and it made me think of the jw friends that i have lost due to suicide.

TheSurvivor

How many people here have had close friends or aquaintances in the truth take their own life? I know that this may be a very deep subject, and I do not mean to dredge up bad memories, but I just ran across the lyrics to Vincent aka Starry Starry Night. It was the first time that I ever actually read the words and it made me think of the JW friends that I have lost due to suicide. Somehow I think for the average person to have 3 old friends kill themselves is NOT normal, and it says a lot about how some people feel hopelessly trapped by the WTBTS. Again, I do not take this subject lightly. Tears came to my eyes as I thought about my old friends and wondered if they ever tried to tell me anything, that I just could not hear at the time..............I just had second thoughts about even posting this, considering how upset it has made me.

TheSurvivor

Vincent-Don McClean

Starry, starry night

Paint your palette blue and gray

Look out on a summer's day

With eyes that know the darkness in my soul

Shadows on the hills

Sketch the trees and the daffodils

Catch the breeze and the winter chills

In colors on the snowy linen land

(Chorus)

Now I understand

What you tried to say to me

How you suffered for your sanity

How you tried to set them free

They would not listen they did not how

Perhaps they'll listen now

Starry, starry night

Flaming flowers that brightly blaze

Swirling clouds in violet haze

Reflect in Vincent's eyes of china blue

Colors changing hue

Morning fields of amber grain

Weathered faces lined in pain

Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand

(Chorus)

For they could not love you

But still your love was true

And when no hope was left inside

On that starry, starry night

You took your life as lovers often do

But I could have told you Vincent

This world was never meant for one as

beautiful as you

Starry, starry night

Portraits hung in empty halls

Frameless heads on nameless walls

With eyes that watch the world and can't forget

Like the strangers that you've met

The ragged men in ragged clothes

The silver thorn of bloody rose

Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow

Now I think I know

What you tried to say to me

How you suffered for your sanity

How you tried to set them free

They did not listen they're not listening still

Perhaps they never will

20

Society profiting from Conventions

by freedom96 in

jw
friends

i am sure that this has been talked about, but i would love to hear recent input.

there have been district assemblies where parking is charged, and all the "brothers and sisters" who are taking time off of work, etc, and cannot afford to go to this assembly but have to go, are paying good money for admission to the stadium.

many times not allowing come and go privledges.

TheSurvivor

Hmmmmmmm. I'm still a brother as far as anyone knows. (Except for a VERY select few.) Does that make me a coward or hypocrite? Well, maybe a hypocrite, but NOT a coward. A true coward would have never allowed himself to see things as they really where, or if he did, never do anything at all about it. Personally there are many reasons that I choose to allow myself to be seen as a brother. Mostly it is the fact that I have been living a double life for so very long, that it just comes second nature. Instead of seeing myself as a hypocrite, I prefer to think of myself as a member of the "resistance," doing what I can from the inside to free some minds. Many resistance leaders in past wars did most of their damage from the "inside." They were just ordinary shop keepers during the day, and hellraisers at night. This is a very fine line that folks in the resistance walk. If you are not VERY good at it, you will be caught by the JW "security forces" which seem to be everywhere sometimes. I know this may sound wierd, but if you don't look at it like this, you're toast.

TheSurvivor

4

Can God Self Destruct?

by StinkyPantz in

this question of course goes out to all of you that believe in god (preferably the god/creator of the bible); not you atheists.

if god is all powerful then shouldn't he be able to kill himself?

i'm not saying "would he", but if he is all powerful, then why couldn't he?.

TheSurvivor

Isn't the the term "God" a realitive thing? Aren't we "Gods" to some things? (I'm sure my cat thinks I'm one every time I make the food appear.) My point is that "Captain Kirk" could have appeared to be God to many of the people on distant planets that he met. That being the case, "God" could have had an engine overload and went supper nova a long time ago. Now I've done it. Everyone now KNOWS I've been to one to many meetings.

TheSurvivor

15

A Week Later; I'm Still Confused.......

by Sentinel in

well, it's been one week since mom called to tell me that she is reverting back to a previous behavior from 1981, called "hard line shunning".

this is after some ten years now, of having communication with me in a restrictive manner.

(well, as "normal" as it could be for us anyway.

TheSurvivor

I could give you training, but it takes years of devoted effort to achieve greatness. I say this after just turning in my time report....made up as usual. (Gee,...opps, can't say "Gee" can we? I did really good with magazines again this month!) I sometimes wonder if they will make a movie out of my life.....I mean having two distinct personalities must be rather rare. <G> Or another scenario.....brother talking to camera... "I just don't know how he could say and do these things, he was always such a good brother. You know, we would have probably never known how he felt in his heart if he hadn't TP'ed the trees at the hall, put super glue in all the locks, and shorted out the sound system, while he was being an attendant one Thursday night." Geez, there I go again, cracking myself up. Hey if you can't laugh at this stuff, you really would go off the deep end. Maybe that it is why you see brothers sometimes sitting with that "thousand yard stare," mumbling something about.....must be good, must go out in service, must answer at meetings, must do what I'm told......oh no, sorry, that is just the standard brainwashing.....it's so hard to tell the difference.

TheSurvivor

9

A memory of Mom and Dad

by nilfun in

one evening, mom and dad told my cousin.

and i to get ready, we were going to buy some new.

shoes.

TheSurvivor

It seems that things tend to go in a cycle. Children always say they will not do to their kids, what their parents did to them. Being raised in the truth by a mom, and having a dad pulling you the other way was not easy. You would not believe some of the mind games I was subjected to......"You can go hunting with your dad....you just cannot enjoy it," comes to mind right away. At least my boys were not raised this way. Even though I was still "in the truth," they were raised doing many things that were not exactly "approved" of in the collective.....Hunting, paintball games, trap shooting, missing meetings to go camping, and the rifle range all come to mind. Not to mention the fact that I would allow them to watch R rated movies. (AFTER I had previewed them.) I always reminded them that they were NOT allowed to watch movies with sex and violence in them....they had to pick one or the other. <G> It was not easy bringing up three boys and at the same time being their "buddy." But we have always enjoyed each others company, and there is not a dirty toothless biker in the bunch, (no offense to any dirty toothless bikers that might be here <G>) so I guess I could have done worse.

TheSurvivor

20

My First Rock Concert....

by TheSurvivor in

now in my 40's i went to my first and most probably last rock concert last night.

i took the wife and kids (if you can still call them that with the youngest taller than me) to see the "motor city madman....ted nugent.

i guess that i am just not the rock and roll type.

TheSurvivor

Yeah, that crowd was something else. I was beginning to wonder if there was a full set of teeth in the entire house. At one point I leaned over and asked my wife how 'Ole Nuge must feel.....going from an audience of screaming barely clothed teens who all "want him," to a toothless biker crowd that he would not want to touch with a ten foot gun. <G> I think the "normal" ones that were there were ones like me, who just went to see him in person and hear first hand some of the stuff he says. I mean, don't ya just have to love a guy who comes on the morning talk shows to talk about his new cookbook......"Ya can't grill it, 'till ya kill it." But I really admire the guy. He is a true entertainer. He comes out on the stage as the "Motor City Madman," then goes home to his wife and kids, to hunt on his farm, and lead a life that is probably more conservative than mine. (he did have some wild days in the past though) His book "God Guns and Rock and Roll" IMHO was really good.

TheSurvivor

9

MIND RAPE?

by bay64me in

i read something recently, possibly, (no probably) here, on the subject of mind rape.

my encounter with the jws was kind of self inflicted, i.e.

i was not brought up in it.. i am sort of coming to the conclusion, that is meaning, that with my association with the witnesses and reading here, that those that were introduced to this particular form of mind control later on in life, seem to be more adversly affected mentally than those that have the misfortune of being 'brought up in the faith'.

TheSurvivor

"Your post reply is excellent and my sentiments exactly. We were members of a gang. We didn't know any better. Then we decided to think for ourselves instead of being controlled. Suddenly, we found that the gang was not for us. But, being a gang, they don't want to let us go."

I would not call it a "gang," I would call it "organized crime." After all, we cannot just LEAVE if we want to. If we leave, we are "cut off," the equivalent of being put to death. BTW, what are the numbers lately? Are there more going out than coming in? At one of the last conventions I went to, it seemed to me that there were very old people there, and very young people. But maybe it was just my imagination.

TheSurvivor

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My First Rock Concert....

by TheSurvivor in

now in my 40's i went to my first and most probably last rock concert last night.

i took the wife and kids (if you can still call them that with the youngest taller than me) to see the "motor city madman....ted nugent.

i guess that i am just not the rock and roll type.

TheSurvivor

Now in my 40's I went to my first and most probably LAST rock concert last night. I took the wife and kids (if you can still call them that with the youngest taller than me) to see the "Motor City Madman....Ted Nugent. I guess that I am just NOT the rock and roll type. Gee, can you imagine that? <G> The main reason I wanted to go, was because I like the man, and his views. There were several highlights......he dedicated one song to the Army Navy Air force Marines and all our soldiers in uniform, then he dedicated the next song to the "armed forces," which he said were "YOU AND ME!" He then told about how his next song was about the terrorists of the world.....Osama, Saddam, Janet Reno, Jesse Jackson, and others that wanted to take away his guns. I just loved how he grouped Reno and Jackson in with the terrorists. I believe the songs name was "You Can Kiss My Ass." He then got out his compound bow and shot an arrow right into the heart of a life size photo of Saddam from all the way across the stage. (He is VERY good with a bow.) Then since he as on a roll, (the crowd was almost in a frenzy at this point) he went on to say that Reno was Saddams wife, and that yes, she was a whore. God, Guns and Rock and Roll (the tittle of his book)...yeah, that about covered it. <G> Oh and one more thing I thought was very funny.....we were there before the doors opened, and there was a LONG line that we were near the front of. This big mean looking "lady" with SECURITY written across the back of her shirt, comes out with a bull horn and says...."There are no guns, knives, or weapons of any kind allowed inside.....NOW WILL THOSE WITH CAMERAS OR VIDEO RECORDERS TAKE THEM BACK TO YOUR CAR NOW." Maybe I was the only one, but it sure sounded to me like the they HAD to make the announcement about the weps.....but they were more concerned about cameras. <G> BTW, they let me in with my big 'Ole mean Leatherman tool right there on my belt.....we won't mention what was in my pockets. <G>

BTW, some comments about the crowd.....For one thing, it looked like about 98 percent of them were related. And if this crowd was any indication of what society might be like if and when the poop hits the oscillator, people like this will get about one step beyond my fence and locked gate with the BIG sign that reads " ABSOLUTELY NO TRESPASSING!....."A prudent man forseeth the evil and hideth himself; But the simple pass on, and are punished." Then they will be punished. There were of course some nice people there. But it seemed the majority were stoned or drunk out of their minds, stepping on your feet, spilling beer all over, standing right in front of your seat, throwing up in garbage cans, and just being rude in general. I almost had to take one creep down when he came up to my youngest (he's almost 16) and for some unknown reason took a dislike to him. (probably because he was openly looking at this drunken dirty creep with disgust.) I quickly stepped between them (with an almost total stranger....he was setting beside me, and was one of the more "normal" people there....backing me up) This guy in my opinion was way to gone to hear anything I might say, so I just gave him my practiced "don't screw with me" look, and put my finger in his face and then toward the door.....I must say my face really worked good, and he shrunk away not to return. But trust me, it would have been no match....he could hardly stand up as it was....one good push and he would have went flying. <G> All I can say was that it was an interesting experience, and that considering how bad my ears were ringing afterward, I should have taken my Com-Tac hearing protectors. No shit.....as Ted (the CraveMan) was fond of saying.

TheSurvivor....born enslaved, now living free. <G>

7

My demon posessed PC experience

by jws in

been reading some of the demon stories posted from time to time on this forum.

i for one am skeptical of them all because many of people i knew who reported such experiences seemed to be either mentally or emotionally unstable.

i've personally never had any such experiences despite my ac/dc and led zeppelin collection - and never wanted to.

TheSurvivor

I would think a three pound hammer would take care of it. <G>

TheSurvivor