Posts by Duran

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

A literal reading of this scripture certainly agrees with the scripture that says when Jesus returns he will have ~~his saints~~ with him. He returns "with all ~~His~~ ~~saints~~" (1 Th. 3:13) What other way could this possibly be understood?

[May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.]

No mention of him coming with his saints there, it is speaking to his saints. He comes with his angels and they gather his saints (chosen).

[If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.]

[And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,]

[For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.]

[And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.]

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Duran

So, am I putting to much emphasis on the Watchtower? There are a remnant of genuine anointed who are the target of deception. They belong to Christ, they are his kings of the earth/priests.

Absolutely too much emphasis. If their claim to fame (to being appointed the f&ds) in 1919 is a false teaching, then what basis is there to think that Jesus has anything more or less to do with them than any of all the other so-called Christian faiths? What is the poof that there are any genuine anointed among watchtower?

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.

4578. seismos

a earthquake,

a storm - a violent disturbance of the atmosphere with strong winds and usually rain, thunder, lightning, or snow.

hurricane, tornado, snowstorm, blizzard, rainstorm, ice storm

POD

GT

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

SB: The Christian hope for those alive just prior to the GT is the Rapture - the snatching away.

If that is what you think and you believe that chart, then there is perhaps nothing I can say to correct your thinking, but that is not what the Bible states. Jesus is said to have a 2nd coming and it is AFTER the GT. This does not allow for him to come BEFORE the GT.

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

SB: Church age believers will not go through the GT. We are not appointed to wrath: For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ - 1 Thess, 5: 9

The wrath that (as you word it) 'Church age believes' will not be appointed to is Armageddon. All 'believers' will certainly go through the GT. That is what will determine whom a TRUE believe is. One either comes out of the GT a sheep or a goat. Goats are appointed to wrath and sheep to salvation.

1 Thess that you cite above takes place AFTER the GT and corresponds to Matt 24:30,31.

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

Vid: Question is: When is the sealing to take place?

The answer is NO none have been sealed, it is to take place still future according to what is written, but that does not matter in regard to what I am saying. In order for these individuals to be sealed in the future, they have to exist prior to their sealing.

Are you aware of ANY on earth today that can be said to be following the Lamb wherever he goes, are not defiling themselves, and they have no deceit in their mouths and without blemish? Those requirements are to be found in them prior to their sealing.

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

there will be chosen ones*
* [These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb]

Rather the Bible is true or not, that is what it says. So, if it is true, then there should be those. If it is not true, then there is no Lamb to follow, so there are no chosen ones to rule, etc.

I find myself in a conundrum. I admit that I believe in Jehovah (Jehoah) and Jesus (Jehoshua), at least as far as what the Bible says. I know that believing the Bible doesn't mean it's true, but that is where I am at, that is what I believe. To not believe in the Bible, is a belief in itself. (To be an atheist, etc.) I can't prove the Bible is true, therefore prove Jehoah and Jehoshua are. I believe what I do though because I see as poof with my own eyes that man CANNOT rule themselves.

But something that I should also be able to see for myself (we all should) if they existed, are these so-called 144k chosen ones (rather literal or symbolic).

I would settle for just knowing the whereabouts of just one of them.

[These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.]

Where are ANY of these so-called chosen ones now?

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

Vid - The emphasis has shifted from earthly Jerusalem to Mount Zion of heavenly Jerusalem.

That is how I understand it to be. A person who identifies as being a Christian is also a spiritual Jew. And as far as 144k, I just say there will be chosen ones* that will have part in the first resurrection and rule with Jesus. And then there are those that will be who make up the GC.**

* [These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb]

** [they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.]

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

Vid- Those who remain faithful to God are “virgins” as to world affairs.

I am of that line of thinking too. Didn't think “virgins” was really speaking of the sexual manner but instead the spiritual.

SB- Why would that be your 1st take? What is wrong with a plain reading?

Also, can see that the number could be literal.

No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Duran

PetrW:

Why will the two witnesses not preach until after the 7th trumpet? I think the answer is in Rev 11:7: they are to preach and the Beast of Abyss will end their preaching.

Deathstroke on beast (in the abyss)

Beast comes out of abyss (deathstroke healed)

At this point beast gets its 42-month authority (Rev 13:5) and corresponds with Rev 11:2,3

The two witnesses are killed during the 2nd woe (6th trumpet), which when it is said to have past, then the 3rd woe comes (7th trumpet)

3rd woe will cause beast to be thrown into lake of fire, his 42 months authority will have ended by that time. 3rd woe is Jesus coming at Armageddon. That is when the Kingdom comes. (Rev 11:14,15)

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Revelation stuff per request for PetrW

by EasyPrompt in

per request from petrw🙂, some revelation stuff.... .

the four horsemen didn't start in 1914 or earlier- the timing is once jesus is enthroned in heaven.. .

the winds of destruction are on the religious institutions.. .

Duran

EasyPrompt:

Revelation 19:11-16 makes clear that Jesus is the same as the rider of the white horse, the first of the "four horsemen".

How is it that Rev 19:11-16 makes clear that Jesus is the rider on the first horse of the 4 horsemen?

Are you saying that based on the horses in both accounts being white?

If you think Jesus is one of the 4 horsemen, whom do you think the other 3 represent?

Revelation 6:2-8