Posts by Duran

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Do you play the LOTTERY?

by Fisherman in

jw view gambling as a sin and sadly people get addicted to gambling causing them financial and health problems.

but is playing a couple of bucks a week on some lottery tickets actually gambling?

what do you have to lose?

Wife and I went to Vegas, not so much for Vegas but because it was convenient to fly, and hotel stay there and then rent car to go to Grand Canyon. Her JW sister and brother in-law (elder) went too. Brother in-law mocks people as we walk through the casino going to and from our rooms. 'Look at all these people wasting their money', etc.

At one point we were standing around talking near some slot machines and near them there were some arcade machines and one of them was the claw machine to try to grab something. He and his wife would not play the slot machines because that was evil wasting your money gambling and as JW's they didn't do that.

Well wouldn't you know it, they had NO PROBLEM playing the claw machine. As I stood there and watched I thought what in the heck was the difference of him putting dollar bills in the claw machine one after another, moving a little stick around and then pushing a button, trying over and over to win a dumbass stuff animal compared to putting dollar bills into slot machine and pulling a lever or pushing a button, to try to win whatever the cash payouts were.

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Duran

@Kosonen

You say:

So he defeats them by swiftly destroying them.

That answer was in reference to how the beast (Ch 13) and false prophet get thrown in the firey lake/come to their end. And your answer was Jesus does so.

I am presuming at Armageddon, right?

Next you say:

The beast in ch 13 will have authority over a new financial system

Now while that is true, it also says this about this beast:

5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, even those residing in heaven. It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation... If anyone has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.

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In regard to the ch 17 beast/8th king coming to its end, you also say Jesus will do so. And again, I am presuming at Armageddon, right?

You also say the 8th king is the UN, and the 7th king will be the beast (ch 13) ruling during the 42-months.

So according to you:

Jesus comes at Armageddon destroys both the 7th and 8th king but throws the 7th king and false prophet into the firey like but not the 8th king?

Just out of curiosity, how/when do you think the KOTN and MOL come to their end?

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Duran

BUT, there was just enough truth to lead all the anointed over the years into its trap, into “Babylon”.

Just in that statement alone shows that you are a very delusional person. All who became/become JW's had to have a study, accept the false teachings, get baptized, and preach/teach the false teachings to others.

Why would any truly anointed person accept false teachings and teach those teachings to others?

5 and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.

4 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God,for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

Your so-called anointed within JW land are not without blemish, and there was deceit in their mouth with those false teachings. Something that would never have happened if they tested what they were being taught before accepting it as true.

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Duran

@Kosonen

Ch 19 - And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur.

When and by what means do you say the wild beast and the false prophet get thrown into the fiery lake?

Do you believe the UN is the beast in ch 13 who gets the said 42-month authority?

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Ch 17 - [And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.]

When and by what means do you say the wild beast/8th king goes off into destruction?

Do you believe the UN is the 8th king?

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Duran

Ch 13

I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed,

It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months.

It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them,

Ch 11

When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them.

Ch 17

The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction.

These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

Ch 19

And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur.

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Duran

the difference is too big for them to be the same.

Actually, it is the opposite. The similarities are too close for them to be different.

The death stroke on the beast is the going into the abyss. The healing of the death stroke is the coming out of the abyss.

The 10 kings giving their power and authority to the beast is the said 42-month authority the beast is said to be given.

When the beast is said to come out of the abyss, it is said that those who admire it with amazement, etc., that not one of their names will be written in the book of life.

Likewise, the same is said about the beast whose death stroke gets healed.

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Revelation stuff per request for PetrW

by EasyPrompt in

per request from petrw🙂, some revelation stuff.... .

the four horsemen didn't start in 1914 or earlier- the timing is once jesus is enthroned in heaven.. .

the winds of destruction are on the religious institutions.. .

Duran

The first woe should then be described in the next chapter. It is about a 5 month long period of locusts that torment people, but do not kill. It looks like for me that the second woe could be the coming 42 months

That is correct according to what is written.

The 3 woes are trumpet's 5, 6 and 7.

Trumpet's 1-4 and events with them take place before these last 3 woes. The locust event occurs in the 1st woe, then in 2nd woe the 42-months occur and then AFTER the 3rd woe comes, which is Jesus coming with the kingdom- Armageddon.

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Duran

The said 'one hour' is referring to the 'hour of test' that is to come upon the world. That time of test is the 42-month authority of the beast.

Beast in 13 and 17 are the same.

[I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed,]

[The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss]

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Duran

@ nicolaou

LOL!

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Duran

The trumpet Paul was talking about ("the last trumpet") was the one Jesus mentioned in Matthew 24:31...That is at the end of the 3 1/2 year great tribulation.

Yes, that is so. And that is when Jesus is said to come and with his coming, so does the kingdom, the 3rd woe.

[“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.] [in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed]

[The sixth angel blew his trumpet...

[The second woe is past. Look! The third woe is coming quickly.]

[The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]