so, the organization says the “disgusting thing that causes desolation” in daniel 11:31 is the united nations being set up in 1945, but in daniel 12:11 when they interpret the 1,290 days they say it’s the league of nations in 1919. please could someone play devils advocate and tell why this could be anything but inconsistent?
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why this could be anything but inconsistent?
It is not 'inconsistent', it is very 'consistent' in that both of those teachings are false. False teachings/lies are what the WTS/GB are good at being 'consistent' about.
It may prove to be true that the UN is the 'disgusting thing' (KOTN/8th king), but it was not so upon being set up in 1945. The 8th king comes about at some point during WW3.
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ is used interchangeably here. Does it concern you that Gods Word says you are not a Christian if you don’t allow the Spirit of Christ to reside in you?[42 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.]
[61 The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,]
[37 You know the subject that was talked about throughout all Ju·deʹa, starting from Galʹi·lee after the baptism that John preached: 38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.]
[16 After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.]
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
It could mean just what is says: God was manifest in the flesh.
It shows here the it was the 'son of God' who was manifest is the flesh.
[ 8 The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil.]
[14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.]
'God' there is referring to Jehovah. 'Son' there is referring to Jesus. Jesus (the word) is the one who was made manifest in the flesh.
Even if 1 Timothy 3:16 said "god' and not 'he', that would not mean that 'god' there is referring to Jehovah God. 1 John 3:8 and John 1:14 makes clear that it is Jesus (the word) the 'son of God' is who was made manifest in the flesh.
The reason it could have said 'god' even though referring to Jesus is because Jesus is also said to be a 'god'. Again though, that does not make him Jehovah God, just like Satan is said to be a 'god' and yet you do not claim he is Jehovah God.
i would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
Eight million JWsdo not personally know Jesus Christ.
Eight billion people do not personally know Jesus Christ.
the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.
his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .
no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.
The overlapping generation teaching is true! It all makes sense, any who don't believe it or understand it must have the wrong attitude. LOL!
Overlapping Generation - Jehovah Witnesses Weirdest Doctrine (youtube.com)
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
3739. ὅς, (hos, hé, ho)
[ 16 Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He (3739) was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’]
[ 7 Little children, let no one mislead you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous. 8 The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil.]
[14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.]
[ 9 By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.]
[ 11 And this is the witness, that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in his Son. 12 The one who has the Son has this life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this life.]
[ 31 But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.]
[13 I write you these things so that you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the name of the Son of God.]
[21 After eight days, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus (2424) , the name given by the angel before he was conceived.]
2424. Iésous – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua)
3091. Yehoshua - (Jehoah is Salvation)
i would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
As I said on another thread, Jehovah God is a spirit being. His first creation was another spirit being. After that first spirit being was created, many more spirit beings were created. All of those spirit beings that Jehovah created are his spirit sons, Jesus being the first one of those spirit sons.
Now the question, is Jesus an angel? What is an angel?
Both the Hebrew mal·ʼakhʹ and the Greek agʹge·los literally mean “messenger.” - One bearing a message, either oral or written.
minister - a person or thing used to achieve or convey something; attend to the needs of someone.
[ 4 He (Jehovah) makes his angels spirits, His ministers a consuming fire.]
[20 Praise Jehovah, all you his angels, mighty in power, Who carry out his word, obeying his voice. 21 Praise Jehovah, all his armies, His ministers who do his will.]
[ 16 Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me.]
[30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.]
[ 28 Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.”]
i was given the link to a bit of information regarding on old poster/moderator of this forum.
i was not sure of the validity of the information so have been trying to find out if it is true.. earlier today craig's estranged wife, kate, (bikerchic) confirmed that craig died at his home on aug 10, 2011.. i am sure that many people here remember craig's time here and how he went out of his way to offer support to posters, even calling them, to give whatever help he could as they adjusted to their post-jw lives.. i know many people here will grieve his loss.. --------------.
ps i tried posting this earlier but the computer i was working with would not allow the posts.
Sad to add Atlantis to the list.
Here is an odd thing but not surprisingly. Bobcat's last post here was thanking Atlantis.
Atlantis's last post here was replying to being thanked.
Many here were thankful for him.
i was given the link to a bit of information regarding on old poster/moderator of this forum.
i was not sure of the validity of the information so have been trying to find out if it is true.. earlier today craig's estranged wife, kate, (bikerchic) confirmed that craig died at his home on aug 10, 2011.. i am sure that many people here remember craig's time here and how he went out of his way to offer support to posters, even calling them, to give whatever help he could as they adjusted to their post-jw lives.. i know many people here will grieve his loss.. --------------.
ps i tried posting this earlier but the computer i was working with would not allow the posts.
like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.
how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.
there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.
Until you give up your heretical pagan worship of angels, you are stuck. In response to John’s wrongful attempt to worship an angel in Revelation, the angel says, “See that you do not do that!
The angel told John not to worship him because that angel was not God, he was a minister of God which all angels are. And not only is Jehovah God a spirit but all angels are spirits, and all angels are God's sons', including Satan.
[min·is·ter - a person or thing used to achieve or convey something; attend to the needs of (someone):]
[8 Well I, John, was the one hearing and seeing these things. When I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing me these things. 9 But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers the prophets and of those observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.”]
[24 God is a Spirit, ]
[ 4 He makes his angels spirits, His ministers a consuming fire.]
[14 Are they not all spirits for holy service, sent out to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?]
[ 11 Then the Devil left him, and look! angels came and began to minister to him.]
[ 12 because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.]
[ 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?]
[2 Afterward the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them to take his station before Jehovah.]
[ 2 the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.]
[ 18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed]
