Posts by Duran

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

When YOU write/use the English name Jehovah, rather YOU are referring to the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures, YOU are using the English version from the Hebrew יהוה, not the Greek nor any other.

So why not at least spell/say that English version of the Hebrew name correctly? (Jehoah) יהוה

Why not write/say the English version of Jesus' true Hebrew name? (Jehoshua) יהושע

[ 3 And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah! (239. allelouia) And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.”]

239. allelouia - of Hebrew origin halal, Jah

halal - to praise

Jah - contr. from Jehoah

[117 Praise Jehoah, all you nations; Glorify him, all you peoples. 2 For his loyal love toward us is great; The faithfulness of Jehoah endures forever. Praise Jah!]

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3063. Yehudah יהודה YHVDH

Notice the Hebrew letters are the same 4 as God's name with a 5th one that represents the D.

If we take the Hebrew letter out for the D, we are left with the same letters of God's name, יהוה YHVH.

If we take the D out of Yehudah, it is Yehuah.

Now remember that the U there replaced the placeholder V and it could have been an O but instead the U was used because it was followed by a D, but when followed by an H an O is used, as in Yehoah.

( here and here)

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

Even though enemies of God sought to erase His name from the manuscripts those enemies were too stupid to erase it from the "Hallelujah" portions of that book.

Jesus' name means "Jehovah is Salvation." Jesus wants us to worship Jehovah.

When it comes to wanting to erase God's name, that is true and that is why the name Jehoshua was reduced down to Jesus. The name Jehoshua honors God's name and conveys the full meaning 'Jehoah is Salvation'. The name Jesus does neither.

Jehoah יהוה

Jehoshua יהושע

Jesus י

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And again, there is no V in God's name.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Duran

Atheist - 1

Bible believing folk - 0

Atheist have been right so far. Nothing in the Bible from the past can be proven true today. And anything said from the Bible to happen in the future, has not so far happen.

Basically, an atheist is on the surface automatically right until proven wrong and a believer is automatically wrong until proven right.

The only way an atheist could ever be proven wrong is for something Biblical to take place which would in turn show that the Bible believing folk were right all along.

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

A Kairite Jew, Nehemiah Gordon

נחמיה - Nehemiah (Jehoah comforts)

יהושפט - Jehoshaphat (Jehoah judged)

God's name יהוה YHVH and keeping in mind that Jews read right to left.

For Jeho-shaphat/Yeho-shaphat the letters of God's name used for the pre-fix are יהו YHV.

For Nehem-iah/Nehem-yah the letters of God's name used for the sub-fix are יה YH

(Putting aside that for the English language there was a change of Y to J and Y to I.)

The vowels used for those two names are e,o,a to be used with YHVH.

The V is a placeholder for the vowel's O/U. ( here and here)

When choosing the vowel, it replaces the V, it is not added in addition too.

Example:

Jehoshua, not Jehovshua

Jehoram, not Jehovram

When using the pre-fix יהו YHV in those names, the vowel E is used and the vowel O for replacing the V.

In these names with the sub-fix יה YH, the vowel A is used.

JeremiaH

IsaiaH

ZechariaH

Looking at Hebrew names today in English that never stopped being pronounced that contain either the pre-fix or sub-fix of God's name, the vowels they have would have to be the same vowels for God's name.

יהוה YHVH + E,O,A = YEHOAH/JEHOAH

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

Duran, although this is a clever breakdown, there is a major flaw in your reasoning. You forget that Je is not correct, it should be Yah. So in actuality the correct pronunciation of the tetragrammaton in Hebrew would be Yah • ho • ah.

You can use a Y or J and Je/Ye is correct.

[2 Then Joshua (3091. Yehoshua) the son of Nun secretly sent two men out from Shitʹtim as spies. He told them: “Go and inspect the land, especially Jerʹi·cho.”]

[2 And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. (3092. Yehoshaphat)]

יהוה Yehoah/Jehoah

יהושע Yehoshua/Jehoshua

יהושפט Yehoshaphat/Jehoshaphat

And Yah/Jah is only when shortening the whole name, as in Yehoah/Jehoah.

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

We know that isn't the real pronouciation.

The only thing wrong with it is in using the V.

Perhaps it has not been by accident that JWs and others have it wrong because they do bring reproach on it, so they have never been able/allowed to spell/say it correctly.

Jehoshaphat – Jeremiah

Jehoiakim – Isaiah

Jehoram – Nehemiah

Jehoiachin – Zechariah

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יהו Jeho + ה ah = יהוה Jehoah ~~Jehovah~~

יה Jah - יהוה Jehoah

יהושע Jehoshua ~~Jesus~~

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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

by slimboyfat in

say it ain’t so!

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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

Duran

But it seems that in the mid-1930's, the full number of the 144,000 was basically completed.

Oh yeah, that's right because in 1935 the ones that needed to be killed to complete the number, that is when they were killed while refusing the MOTB of the 8th king during 1935.

It all makes sense now.

[9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness they had given. 10 They shouted with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest ~~a little while longer,~~ until [1935 when] the number was filled of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they had been.]

[4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who [in 1935] had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.]

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Another poster asked me to post this as they want to remain anonymous for the sake of the victims.

by karter in

hey karter can you post this for me?

as you know my ex wife and i adopted her brother at 7 years old when his parents passed away.. we brought him up a j.w but he left at 16 and moved in with his girlfriend.. it came out he had been interfering with our 3 daughters when they were very young.. he never got prosecuted becouse my daughters didnt want to ( i suspect their mother a hard out j.w has something to do with that) so basicly he walked free.. latter in life he left his girlfreind comes back to the j.ws and they welcome him like the prodical son and he marries a j.w.. if anyone reading this thinks the j.ws like to hide c.s a read on.. it came to my attention recently by 2 ex elders that had read the letter that followers him when he moves congros that it says the sex bettween him and my daughters was consensual..they were under 10 years old.. this were it gets disgusting.. i approach the p.o of my old congro and ask him who wrote the letter he said he had moved by that time go see another elder .. i did he didnt know as well and said for me to ring the branch.. i did and they were not interested in changing the letter at all basicly go away.. the offender has moved congros 3 times and every time they elders think my daughters under 10 went along with this pos.. not sure what my next move is as the branch here has closed down and they operate out of a diffrent country.. if anyone wants to ask questions ill p.m the reply to you..

Duran

Not sure what my next move is

I just don't get the insane dumb parents and victims that think/make this a JW WTS thing.

No matter who you are, rather the victim or the parents of, if someone commits any such abuse upon you or your child, you should go straight to the police, period. That is where the reporting should begin, not to elders and PO or ringing some branch office.

If this 'kid' * so-called walked free because the daughters didn't want to prosecute, then why want the elders to prosecute him?

I say if the daughters today feel they were abused by their uncle, then the father and daughters should go report it to the police.

* If he left at 16 to his girlfriends, it sounds like anything he did with the daughters took place with him being younger than 16.

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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

by slimboyfat in

say it ain’t so!

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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

Duran

8 billion or so current living people

2 billion (1/4) die as a result of POD

6 billion on hand to live during the 8th king rule

Of those 6b there are 2 groups. Group 1 that support/go along with/take the MOTB and group 2 that refuse/reject the MOTB in support of God's kingdom.

Group 2 are who will make up the GC.

Group 1 are who are killed at Armageddon.

Whatever the number proves to be of the GC (500m,1b, 1.5b, 2b, 2.5b) that survive out of the 6b, one thing that ALL have in common is that they refused the 8th king/to take the MOTB, etc.

That end number of survivors would prove to be higher but many of the GC will die during the time of the 8th king while refusing to take the MOTB/etc. This does not mean that they are not still part of the GC but just that they can't be numbered among those that come out of the GT living. (This is why the number of the GC can't be numbered by man.)

100% of group 1 are killed at Armageddon

100% of group 2 inherit God's kingdom but only a limited number of those are chosen to rule with Jesus.

This limited number in total is 144k. It does not matter how many so-called Christians there has been since the 1st century until today and during the last 42 months before Jesus comes. 144k are whom get chosen to rule with Jesus and a portion of the 144k can't even be in the running to be chosen until the time of the 8th king/MOTB.

It is ridiculous to hear about WTS counting/reporting so-called anointed/chosen to rule with Jesus by their partaking at memorials.

No JW to date starting with CTR, regardless of their partaking, could meet the criteria of being chosen to rule with Jesus unless they had been killed for their faith and for speaking about it or died/killed by 8th king while refusing to take the MOTB which we haven't even gotten to that point in time yet.

This rules out those that died/die from UTI's, strokes, cancer, heart attacks, etc. all while living as kings at Bethel or Beth Sarim as well as individual JWs living around the world not part of the GB but who think they are anointed/chosen to rule with Jesus.

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WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...

by careful in

... is just three weeks from this saturday.

the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.

now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.

Duran

All the above is true and yet only 8 million of them (JWs) but about 51 million Baptists, 1.4 billion Catholics, etc.

Where/how do other religions get their ~~suckers~~ members/congregants?

I just 'heard' something last night about how 90 million so-called Christians don't vote in the US elections, yet there are only about 1 million JWs in the US, so who are the other 89 million that don't vote?

(23:00 min)

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