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Teirce
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FBI are soo Smart
by ISP inthey have been able to name all 19 terrorists within days, their addresses and other particulars.
they have also linked them directly and/or indirectly to bin laden.
they have been able to trace hire cars used and flight schools.........all within days.
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Beware of Dying Religions!
by metatron inwhy terrorism?.
kamikaze airplanes appeared towards the end of the war with.
japan - they were a sign of desperation, of imminent defeat.. a recent editorial about bin laden points out that his group.
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Teirce
That's sharp, metatron. The Witnesses take the life of every person they convert. I had such high hopes, up until Tuesday, that the slaves enchained in the kingdom halls could one day, possibly, arrive at the blinding conclusion that their way of belief had become obsolete. All that had to happen was a little more peace, a little more commerce. All this radicalism has done is given the GB more nets of chain to throw over anyone. Their prophesies are generally maleable to how world events pan out. Bottom line is that they intuitively know at heart that they're the most annoying form of ideologic parasite on the planet, so Of Course they'll be persecuted and banned in many places. Such circular psychology and chasing tails...
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Our American Flag
by Vienna indoesn't it feel good to not be a jw at this point in history?
through the fear of the last few days, i do have comfort from scripture about my eternal salvation through jesus (as a witness you never felt secure with god--don't miss a meeting or field service for long or you're out), but also because my husband and i can display our american flag on our cars and in front of our house to support our country!.
as americans, we will not stand for terrorism and i'm proud to be in this country.
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Teirce
Eman, that's heart-warming about the US flag abroad. It's like the symbolism of the cross, the cross to bear. (Not that I believe in crosses, etc.)
I'd figure that FrightMare considers himself a patriot, and just doesn't want to hear about talk without action, which then slipnslidemaster understands. For ex-Witnesses (and I can't really say "JW" without getting an infection, so I don't) , it is the emotional joy of just having the opportunity to speak and unleash years and decades of pent-up herding behavior that had been warped and brainwashed, homogenized into some imaginary castle in the sky. It feels f'n great to be an American, though it hurts a bit, and the first step is raising, understanding, feeling, grokking the flag. After that, and if that was the only extent, then I'd understand FrightMare's rage.
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I'm A Better Parent Than Any JW.
by Englishman ini was sat watching tv tonight, her ladyship was dozing after a hard day, george the cat was purring and number 3 son had fallen asleep.. number 2 son was talking on the phone to his girlfriend, number 1 was out selling finance to prospective home-buyers.. know what?
these sons of mine know that i am always on their side, no matter what they do.
i can't think of anything that they could do to stop me loving them.
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Teirce
My dad weilded it like a weapon over me when I left that, "I'd no longer be the executor of his will." Big deal. How about some goodwill and Satan Speed and bon voyage and may the evil wind be at your back?
So fathers - I lost my dad when he insulted me upon leaving. He placed too much pride in the fact that it was only HIS (5) sons in the KH who never a one had been df'ed. I fixed his wagon, but not for that reason/motive. Nevertheless, I broke his fucking record, and he took it out.
Whosoever can cling onto the goddam love you had inherent as a natural parent, and not the terror-inducing inhumanity of an Orwellian mini-clone factory, you're doing your children a big favor.
Peace
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Gullibilty and reasoning
by Norm inthe latest horrible events in ny and washington has rightfully shocked the entire world.
it is a deed that will go down in history as monumental as the holocaust and other atrocities.. the only superpower in the world was powerless and unable to stop a handful of dedicated and fanatic persons from inflicting such a horrific blow to the nation.
they struck right at the financial and military center of the superpower.. in the wake of such an event it is interesting to watch the various comments from the us politicians, the president and military.
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Teirce
"As we know, the US intelligence, all the law enforcement officials, every American citizen, and 99% of the citizen’s of the whole world would have done everything in their power to stop something like this from happening, right?"
No. Absolutely not. Europe is horrified by the lax airport security in America. Why is it that way? Because we want it that way. We still "want" it that way, even if we now recognize we need more. But that is the heretofore glory of America: All freedom, All the time. We will soon have to comply with more stringent procedures, and I for one am all for it. Plus, the army had drawn up scenarios of planes crashing into the buildings, but there was no action plan for it. Pilots and airlines were completely unprepared for somehting of this innovative magnitude. The Towers were also built higher than and outside of fire code, thus creating a more lethal situation that is only being blamed on the attackers. Anyone to blame for that? No- it's the American materialist way to have more than one can hold, whether from our consumer spending, to our stock exchange, to those un-code corporate monuments. Everything's bigger in Texas. It is that commercial ability to suck in, to assimilate, to globalize, that is the enemy of the attackers. They don't necessarily hate Americans as bodies bearing English names; they hate the globalization fomented by our commercialized way of life.
"the humans was unable to do anything about it." I'd agree that heretofore helplessly consumerist Americans have been unable to step back and see a need for change, but now they will be able.
"Pray" - As far as I know, the only people who effectively pray are those who audibly meditate to their inner consciousness and draw upon hidden energies of self-actualization, and when and if their prayer and desire comes true, it's because they made it happen. A "true believer" is one who believes in their own power to affect their future positively, a positive thinker. (I'm not a positive thinker, so my girlfriend tells me, so, I side more on the 'realistic optimist'..)
I also don't hate God. I hate the idea and myth that there is any One people, One leadership of any One people, that can know and authorize God's word. God, by himself/itself, is a beautiful and beautifying concept. It's the filter that makes him cheap and unreasonable. (I also don't believe in God except as the asthetic belief of many.)
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OVERFLOW KH MEETING TONITE!
by MadApostate ini just drove by the local kh on my way home, and the parking lot was overflowing, almost like at the memorial.
there were probably 50% more autos than are normaly at the average ms/sm.. is this just a local "phenomenon"?
anyone else here live near a kh?
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Teirce
If I ever accidentally stumble across a KH in my travels, I instinctually hiss, bear my fangs and make a cross in its general cooty direction. And then I'm sick in the stomach for a while.
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Post WTBTS Life
by Angst ini have been inactive for about three and a half years now and just recently after making some big changes in my life have i made a commitment not to return to the "organization".
for quite awhile now i've just felt like i was apathetic towards religion.
now i'm disgusted by religion, religious dogma, and fanaticism.. one thing that i've noticed in those i deal with that are ex-witnesses is that many tend to swing the exact opposite direction once they leave.
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Teirce
It was the last face-slapping insult that I allowed my father to make when he implied that when I left the organization, I was going to descend to drugs, crime, sexually transmitted deseases, et al. Never again will I allow that man to speak that way. He does not carry a parent's respect or authority over me, after that.
I don't smoke. I've pondered the utility of smoking with a view to appetite-suppressant, but, it's cost-prohibitive.
I don't sleep around. There's enough positions, technique, magic and sentiment to persue with one person. Besides that, women take a good long while to even think of understanding (ug). I'll take one and try to deal with that, thanks.
My girlfriend has suggested her approval of pot. I listen to her argument, that it's not as bad as the government says it is. I listen to her persuasion that pot is actually a valuable diversion, but that its legalization would put the tobacco industry at risk, since whereas you can't grow tobacco yourself, and are dependant on the supplier, marijuana is easy to grow. The economic principles she described not only made sense with me, they struck a huge gong in my head regarding the Witnesses' teaching as a psychologic-narcotics addiction. Boy, it feels good to grow your own psychologic joy. But I still haven't tried pot; it's currently illegal.
The only crime that I'm aware of committing is my crime of not bowing to the consumerist machine. Although, I do have no real sense of guilt stealing animal crackers from the jar in the other isle at work. It's a big jar..
As for holidays - it's a real challenge to try to enjoy the season as 'worldly-born' people do. I wish I could have that magic. What I do have is the occasional haunting tingling in the back of the throat that I used to get as a Witness kid, when I would hear Christmas songs at the malls, or when I would stare out the window on our way to the meeting, and see Christmas lights glowing colorfully across the snow. There is a reason that such sights and sounds are haunting, and you do yourself a huge favor to try to recapture a bit of the chilling, spiritual, magical joy at such moments. My girlfriend gave me a most wonderful birthday experience last year, my first true birthday, and I felt more special and necessary to my friends than I had ever felt as a Witness. I've grown more true friends online than I could have counted as a Witness. Forsooth, I never actually, truly was a Witness, because I never completely believed all their teachings. But I was born into it, and got married in it, and smarted up and faced the years-old music that I knew was right. There is no straddling the fence; you will go mad.
At first, I tried to maintain my regular high sense of vocabulary, not at all, by fuck, because I had a moral objection to profanity. No indeed, I always felt that profanity should be reserved unto the day of wrath, when a quiet soul's utterance could Mean something and make heads snap. Back as a Witness, my brothers and their freinds were regular users of profanity, getting hauled to Elders often, but it was never tempting, because it wasn't a challenging enough use of speech. But, by fuck, work has in the last months brought my sanity to the brink, so, I have to swear to stay sane. I hope it returns to normal.
R-rated movies have more genuine acting and fewer childish sentiments. Had enough childish sentiments where I came from. The porn I've tried is categorically boring next to the real thing.
Respectfully,
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Teirce
I was from 1) Harrisburg North then 2)Halifax then 3) Swatara.
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Why Do I Remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by Nicodemus innote: i originally started this as a reply to a query on the thread a different jw viewpoint.
alanf had asked me why i stay a jw in view of what i posted there.
as i developed the reply, it started to become clear to me that it was such a deviation from my original post that it deserved a separate thread.
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Teirce
Sir, I'm 28yo and most surely your junior. I'd say that by the very fact that you have opened up your mind to other thoughts, the very fact that you're listening to these folks on this board, means it's just a matter of time for you. You will leave, relatively soon, or you will go mad. You have too many clues already. You realize the vast discrepancies in doctrine. But you extol the vaunted heroism of Witness neutrality and missionaryism. Surely you perceive that what those missionaries are distributing is not actual physical relief, except perhaps recently, but rather expensive placebic psychologic narcotics. As for neutrality and pacifism - that's is absolutely a weakness for all who have left, unless they were atheists who embraced Darwinism: The Witnesses' one true claim to fame is their unerring ability to turn the other cheek, and that is because they are the fingernails of the mother organization, and can be clipped off, as illustrated in the book "1984". And if you don't want to get so pissed off that you're ready to hurt something, don't read "1984". If your personal law is that you offer yourself to die so that another may live, that is your personal law. But the law of the physical, unsuperstitious planet (no, not the bad bad naughty evil badness Zewt! world) is that no man is an island, and that those who stand alone will fall, and those who band together have their flanks covered. Being willing to die for neutrality is actually the Witnesses' form of ideologic war, and the trenches are dug in the mind.
I would like to suggest that three years after taking the plunge and dropping out, I regularly have occasion in my political, economic, sociologic debates to quote scripture. What this means is that as the free man you will become, you will be unencumbered to apply Paul's words to yourself, and become the truly spiritual, truly excellent man. For myself, I don't believe in God, a male god: I choose to believe in a female deity of my own design. I believe in the principles of Darwin, but am not racist, because I embrace the inherent valuables of each sort of people. It takes a hell of a lot of research, digging into other wisdoms, Eastern and Celtic and Amerindian, but, it is there for the taking and you won't know what orgasm hit you once you get some of the Real good spirituality that's out there. Oh, yeah, and don't even think of reading Socrates or Neitzsche. You'll haul off and bomb Brooklyn, and none of us want that.
Anyway, as staid and as sobre as I can be, I'd wonder if it is perhaps only family that is truly keeping you from embracing your intuition. Family is the most painful snag, and your heart truly gets shredded over the sink like a hunk of cheese. But like their own illustration shows, parents let their children undergo a painful operation in order to be healthy. You'd be disciplining your own heart and sentiment, in order for it to grow up healthier.
Anyway, these are the frank words of your junior, so, with all respect, I leave you in peace.
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Not the smurfs!!!!!
by tattoogrl333 ini had previously asked a question about demons and after visiting the sites and reading the posts suggested by larc, i am disturbed.
jw really believe all that stuff about vacumes, teapots, and other household iteams.
that is sad.
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Teirce
If you feel you're weak, and you feel you'd be wrong to stay, would there be some chance of just going ahead and joining for a time? That way (and I'm noone, here, so shut my mouth) you might have the opportunity to become truly sickened in the stomach, and this would help you resolve to be strong and get out with total conviction and moral authority. But, I totally understood on the feeling weak. They excell at that.