Posts by scratchme1010

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Does This Site Ever Change The Mind of “Spiritual “ Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by minimus in

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friends

do you think witnesses who come here believe that in fact they don’t have the truth, after all.

or are we just preaching to the choir?

?.

scratchme1010

Do you think Witnesses who come here believe that in fact they don’t have the Truth, after all. Or are we just preaching to the choir??

For some bizarre reason, people constantly neglect to think about all the reasons why a person starts waking up from the JWs. Believing in their teachings is only part of what they have to do. Yes, there are people who find that the WT is full of nonsense after taking a closer objective look at what they said/say, but there are others who lurk around for other reasons.

Many people here and lurking are not here because they found some discrepancy in something they taught/teach. There are a few reasons, other than doctrine related:

They feel isolated and shunned in spite of them doing everything they are required to do
They face hard decisions involving relationships, career, marriage, health, habits, or mental health, and feel no support from their fellow JWs or the elders
They have been mistreated by their peers and/or their leadership and are hurt
Intervention from a loved one who they cannot say that they distrust
Disillusionment with the state of the WT, their congregations or their own situations (i.e., they still do not feel happy, their situation is not better, still addicted, still depressed, still... you get the hang of it)
Personality conflicts that may escalate; political infighting
Boredom (the excitement over "having the truth" is over)
Negative media exposure grows their curiosity
The wealth of rationalizations finally collapses; cognitive dissonance stops dissonating
Desperation, they are broke to the bone and their "Jehovah" isn't providing

None of those things have anything to do with believing. In fact, many people here who are very clear about not wanting to be JWs still harbor feelings and some of their believes, even though they cannot remotely entertain the idea of themselves as JWs again.

We might be redundant with some people, but I believe that places like this forum does a lot of great work to people who otherwise may not have any other sources of information.

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Anyone know anything about this group?

by Moster in

just wondering what anyone knows about this group:.

http://www.kingdomherald.ro/beliefs/.

scratchme1010

Looks like another religious group. Nope.

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

scratchme1010

Can anyone give me a valid reason for it? Growing old is a drag. The witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a BS answer.

Not only I cannot give you a valid, solid, educated and/or reasonable answer, but I can assure you that I would never like living forever with the disgusting JW people I grew surrounded with, up until I became a man.

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Watchtower Corporation And Cart Witnessing And A Plethora of Child Molestion Lawsuits

by Brokeback Watchtower in

think about this new mode(cart work) of keeping the rank & file busy with theocratic/self indoctrinating pursuits instead of door to door work which might put them in more financial jeopardy if one of their congregation's free roaming pedophiles uses this as an opportunity to molest an interested person at the doors.

i think the watchtower corporation is in some serious doo doo and wants to limit their legal liability as much as fucking possible, if they still have half a brain that is and not suffering from some severe form of dementia(which you never know being that they are suffering from tremendous brain shrinkage being that they are leaders in a fundamentalist mind control cult which prays upon fear and ignorance and most likely missing a lot of cards in their deck if you know what i mean).. i'm thinking if these guys are only half braindead from the bull shit they sign off on to be printed in their publications they must be able to see the tremendous damage financially that the mandatory door to door work for corporate interest poses if some brazen pedophile uses this situation to satisfy some primal urge.

but you never know these guys on the governing body of la la land must be on some serious meds to be functioning these days so only time will tell..

scratchme1010

I think the Watchtower Corporation is in some serious doo doo...

The only thing I disagree in your post. The WT is not in serious doo doo; they are doo doo.

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Just got a good LOL out of my roommates

by Jayk in

my roommate (j) is sleeping sitting up right on his pc.. my other roommate (c) says "how do you sleep sitting up like that".

i said "years of practice, you didn't go to church as a kid did you?

".

scratchme1010

LOL! good one.

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More Kindness, Less Judgment

by compound complex in

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friends

i am comforted by the realization that my little life has not been lived totally in vain.

there's been a lot of good stuff come my way.

most of my mistakes were not life altering.

scratchme1010

Although called a "man of God," I would have preached less and allowed the unlettered and ordinary man to teach me a thing or two about what is, truly, the "real life."

Great line. I relate to that. Thanks.

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

scratchme1010

" I will have to ask Jesus"!!!!!

There goes the book!

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backhanded compliment to Sunday speaker

by road to nowhere in

a couple years ago we had a speaker, better than average, give the talk.

since i was still pretty much a believer, i commented to him how i enjoyed the talk, and how it was "entertaining".

it was, but he got mad as it was one of the beat the fear of god (governing body) into you talks.

scratchme1010

It was, but he got mad as it was one of the beat the fear of god (governing body) into you talks. I wasn't doing anything of the things mentioned, so had no guilt; but he apparently wanted everyone to do a repentance and "march to the altar" or something

Some people in general (and particularly those who are brainwashed or conditioned to feel the way they are told to) feel uncomfortable accepting a compliment. His reaction may be coming out of his own sense of inadequacy around getting credit for something instead of his Jehovah getting all the credit.

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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me

by Doug Mason in

according to the watchtower:.

who received the ransom payment?.

why did the ransomer need to be paid?.

scratchme1010

Who received the Ransom payment?

ISIS

Why did the Ransomer need to be paid?

For their election campaign

Who was Jesus sacrificed to?

Hillary Clinton

Who was being held captive and by whom?

Anne Coulter

Whom did the Ransomer release?

Kellyanne Conway

I'm not kidding. My point is that any answer I can give you, including those, make as much sense as the ones that the WT gives. It's all fabricated, made up nonsense.

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Where in the bible does it say that the governments will turn on the religions. Like the Dubs always say this will happen

by goingthruthemotions in

i have not been here in a while, just trying to move on with my life all the while dealing with a very pimi brainwashed wife.. so the other day she started saying that we will have to go our own ways when things get worse with this world.

she has said this before because she believes that the government will turn on religion and the great and powerful wizards (guardians of doctrine g.o.d.

) will call everyone and tell them where to go.. thank god, (no pun intended) i have been out of the loop for such a long time.

scratchme1010

I don't mean to be crass, but this:

So the other day she started saying thAT we will have to go our own ways when things get worse with this world.

would worry me more than the WT crap. This directly attacks her commitment to be married to you. I find that comment a little out of place.

but, where in the bible do they get this belief and how do they spin this to mean this.

I'm no expert, and been out for a long time, but the crap that they claim about that is the Revelation. I remember that greatly because as a 5 year old I started asking questions, horrified of the visuals of a prostitute having sex with a dragon. I was explained that the fornication between the prostitute and the dragon meant the relationship between religion and government, and that somehow both are going to end in the lake of fire, which gave me a visual of the then current governor getting burned alive (gee, I wonder how I made it out with some sanity!).

So that is not directly told in the Bible (you would think that such important part of the story would be better communicated). It's told through visions and those thins that John wrote while under the influence of something.

she will never wake up, i proved to her the other day that 607 bce is a false date...i did it using her own literature. but no dent....i have given her so much TTATT that it would make your head spin.

First, you just don't know that for sure. Second, you keep reasoning with her about what is written, words and doctrine. The reality is that many people in the WT don't even understand what they are taught, they just follow along because they are conditioned to believe whatever crap they are told. That may have been what woke you up, but that may not be what speaks to her.

Why is she a JW? If she's not born- in that religion, she didn't know anything about their teachings at the time when she got interested and decided to join. What spoke to her then? What got her interested? Whatever that is, that's what you should address. It still baffles me that people keep trying to (only) deal with the reasoning part of the equation to brainwashed people, without even remotely considering that there are FEELINGS, things that give them comfort, that make them feel good and part of that organization.

What does she value there? That's what you should deal with.