i always use to say as a jw why didn't he leave the flaming swords at the garden of eden,that way future humans could say look that's where our parents use to live but were thrown out.Now at this point in my life i believe nothing in that book it is a well written fairy tale and that is it.
20yearfader
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What evidence is there for the miracles of the Bible OUTSIDE of the Bible?
by punkofnice inok. this is something i've wondered about.. people of certain religions tend to use their own holy book as evidence for things in itself.
this seems very circular to me.
using the book to prove the book in my view is pointless.. i am not aware of any of the 'miracles' of the bible or the quran as having any substantial evidence outside of themselves to give credibility to the books themselves.. has anyone come across such evidence?.
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Our Blondie Has A Torn Memiscus.
by LoisLane looking for Superman inblondie posted her watchtower comments for today and her last paragraph was asking for help, suggestions.
she is in pain from her knee injury, is on steroids and possibly going to have surgery.. she is asking if anyone here, has had the same problem, and if so, what did they do and how was the outcome?.
just lois.
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as someone that has suffered from bad knees for years i feel your pain.i use to keep my knees wrapped with ace bandages but lately i've stopped doing that.started exercising the knee joint with weights and i've seen some improvement but you need surgury get it done right away.I bet i need surgury too but i'm going to delay it as long as possible.Bad knees run in my family on my mother's side everyone no matter what age height ,weight has bad knees.
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WT SHUNNING POLICY: What has it done, or could it do to you?
by flipper inhi y'all, this is mrs. flipper.
please share your experiences with this, or possible consequences of being outed.. this recent controversy and resulting arguments all stem from people being outed - possibly losing friends and family because most jw's will blindly follow the watchtower's rules to shun them.. among people i know and experiences read here, the grief and loss caused by this is terrible, and maybe now is a good time to put up some experiences here, and put the focus on the worst villians of all - wt policymakers..
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Seeing my aunts being treated as dirt by my own jw family made me realize at an early age that i wasnt going to let men tell me whom i could speak to.i would as a kid always go up to the red seats in the dc convention in the capital center to speak and spend time with them.Funny thing is,now they are back in the org and Don't speak to me even though i'm not dfed.
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Would it be too cruel to..............
by Amelia Ashton inyesterday i had a real blast from my past turn up un-announced on my doorstep.
she bumped into my daughter (who has rejected me) in sainsbury's, took her to lunch and got my address from her.
she claims she has been searching for me ever since she discovered i was back in the uk.. she is a disfellowshipped sister who was described by one of our elders as a wagon.
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i would it seems like talking to her is a pointless as talking to a wall.you know the bad part is that she is so close minded i can deal with stupid and someone that knows they are stupid but when you don't even want to entertain a discussion on the topic,i have no use for you,you guys havent been friends in 10 years i say lets go for 20 and beyond....
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I am so proud of Wendy Williams for calling Paula Deen to the carpet for her racist remarks
by booker-t ini was cheering wendy williams on when i saw her on et calling paula deen to the carpet for her use of racial slurs.
i use to work for a woman that reminds me of paula deen.
she was s caucasian woman her mid 60s and she was raised in georgia and she constantly would make racial jokes and do racial jestures in front of me.
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change if possible for Paula Deen will be hard,she has been raised in an enviroment where other races are beneath her.Somewhat like the WT where dfed people are lower than low.What is really needed is a no bs talk about race in America,many blacks have white relatives and many whites have black relatives we are so intertwined that it is foolish to continue this way.shake her tree hard enough and some blacks and mexicans will fall out.Sadly for people like her it will be hard to change we might need overlapping generations to pass on before we see any change in those people in the south like her
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The antidote to the myth that JWs are declining
by slimboyfat inone of the most persistent myths on this website is that jws are already in decline, the rot has set in, and the descent of the watchtower is inevitable from here on in.
unfortunately the facts do not bear this out.
jws are still increasing even in most developing countries, and they are still growing worldwide at a faster rate than the general population.
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when i stopped going which was in 91,i always heard the 40k a year that were dfed.If anything happens to the WT it will come from within.i see jws now that are allowed greater freedom then i was able to enjoy.When the older hardliners pass on you will see the WT change a lot of it's policies if only to stay relevent.The org that i left in 91 doesnt look like the one that operates today teenagers can attend college join in activities that i couldn't org sports.etc...I see born ins like myself everyday that are no longer in the org many are hostile to the Wt others want to be as far away as possible from the org.The wt has laid the seeds to there demise since many of the born ins that have left want nothing to do with the org.In my own family the older gen is the only one that attends the meetings my generation has not embraced the Org and likely never will.Once this gen the baby boomers has passed on expect them to take a lethal hit to the org,at least that's my hope lol.
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The watchtower is making some dangerous enemies
by 20yearfader inthis weekend i spent time with a friend that i haven't seen since high school,that would be 22 years.he grew up the same way i did being a born in.he and i both received our share of beatings related to the wt org coming to the hall without a song book not getting a comment low hours in field service etc....where we differ is the fact that his stepdad was beating him with his fist i got the belt or a stick.he would come to school with black eyes due to his infractions with the hall.after we left schoo we lost touch since he was still living at home an going to the meetings and i wasn't, kicked out at 17 so that ending my time with the org.he stayed at home until 21 still getting his fair share of beatings due to any sort of failing that had to do with the org.he left after one beating and joined the marines,he was dfed.while in the marines he told me he asked an got sniper training becoming a deadly shot,he also told me he always volunteered for the most dangerous missions.i can see that he was doing this to escape the pain of his upbringing even to his subconscious mind secrectly hoping to die on one of these missions.he tells me he has some sort of nerve disability that will progress until he cant walk,he has hearing loss due to a grenade going off by his head'he knows one day he will be in a wheelchair disabled it's only a matter of time.he hasn't spoke to his mother and his family in over 20 years they care nothing about him not even returning the calls he leaves on there answering machine,he told me he calls once a month for the past 20 years.sitting here at my house he says out of the clear blue you know i've thought a lot about going to brooklyn and with the skills i have i could do a lot of damage to those men that have ruined my life.i talked him out of it i think,i told him about this site where he could come to vent,because i think he needs to vent badly.i don't know what will happen to him when he is told his quality of life will get worse and if he will revisit the idea of lashing out at what he thinks has ruin his life,i don't know what he will do and even though i think i talked him out of doing anything,can i really say i blame him.i'm in the same boat my family is fractured broken all because of some men,men in brooklyn that hold more control over my family than i can,i wonder do thay ever think about the countless people that they affect with there shunning methods how many broken families they leave in there wake.i will say one thing there are many others out there that think the way my friend does i feel it's only a matter of time before karma comes a knocking..
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steve 2 I can't believe that you can post over and over again about the fact that we are grown men and women and that we should get over it.You sir are part of the problem we come here to vent and share with others about our experiences in the org.I can not get over it since the WT and its rules helped shape me into the man that i became a person that loathes people due to the fact that i wasnt given any normal interaction with people of my age group since they were worldly and below the wt standards,i have a hard time expressing myself to my wife she describes me as a robot,cold sometimes unfeeling.As an adult i can see that im a very violent person,i've gotten help with my temper but as a young adult i wanted to hurt anyone that wronged me.My actions led me to being arrested,and yes i blame the religion and my parents for the way that they raised me in accordance to the org's rules.Even though they dont support phsyical beatings now at one time they did and you can't make light of that,how do you think i feel seeing witness children now being able to go to college and having way more freedoms that i couldn't enjoy that is even worse then the org continuing their draconion practices.I got married no one in my family that was a witness attended whom should i blame for that,should i just get over it as you state.This org has our families as hostages no sir i will never just get over it until my family is free of the WT.As i stated in earlier post my mother hates me for rejecting the WT i have a messed up relationship with my parents they are brainwashed whom sir should i blame because of that no one?As i stated you need to get off your high horse and exercise a little empathy instead of post over and over again get over it.There is an old saying if you don't have anything positive to say about something then say nothing.
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The watchtower is making some dangerous enemies
by 20yearfader inthis weekend i spent time with a friend that i haven't seen since high school,that would be 22 years.he grew up the same way i did being a born in.he and i both received our share of beatings related to the wt org coming to the hall without a song book not getting a comment low hours in field service etc....where we differ is the fact that his stepdad was beating him with his fist i got the belt or a stick.he would come to school with black eyes due to his infractions with the hall.after we left schoo we lost touch since he was still living at home an going to the meetings and i wasn't, kicked out at 17 so that ending my time with the org.he stayed at home until 21 still getting his fair share of beatings due to any sort of failing that had to do with the org.he left after one beating and joined the marines,he was dfed.while in the marines he told me he asked an got sniper training becoming a deadly shot,he also told me he always volunteered for the most dangerous missions.i can see that he was doing this to escape the pain of his upbringing even to his subconscious mind secrectly hoping to die on one of these missions.he tells me he has some sort of nerve disability that will progress until he cant walk,he has hearing loss due to a grenade going off by his head'he knows one day he will be in a wheelchair disabled it's only a matter of time.he hasn't spoke to his mother and his family in over 20 years they care nothing about him not even returning the calls he leaves on there answering machine,he told me he calls once a month for the past 20 years.sitting here at my house he says out of the clear blue you know i've thought a lot about going to brooklyn and with the skills i have i could do a lot of damage to those men that have ruined my life.i talked him out of it i think,i told him about this site where he could come to vent,because i think he needs to vent badly.i don't know what will happen to him when he is told his quality of life will get worse and if he will revisit the idea of lashing out at what he thinks has ruin his life,i don't know what he will do and even though i think i talked him out of doing anything,can i really say i blame him.i'm in the same boat my family is fractured broken all because of some men,men in brooklyn that hold more control over my family than i can,i wonder do thay ever think about the countless people that they affect with there shunning methods how many broken families they leave in there wake.i will say one thing there are many others out there that think the way my friend does i feel it's only a matter of time before karma comes a knocking..
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steve2 this concept of revenge is not only an american thing,this friend of mine has the know how to make his fantasy a reality.You i take it weren't a born in that was subject to physical and mental abuse you need to get down off of your high horse and see the world through our eyes.I can add up the sum of my life and see the common denominator in my life and many of the born ins of my generation and clearly blame the wt and there policies that our parents took to the extreme.That is one of the reasons so many of my generation have rejected religion and carry so much emotional baggage in there lives.Also men don't coo maybe you have forgotten that.
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The watchtower is making some dangerous enemies
by 20yearfader inthis weekend i spent time with a friend that i haven't seen since high school,that would be 22 years.he grew up the same way i did being a born in.he and i both received our share of beatings related to the wt org coming to the hall without a song book not getting a comment low hours in field service etc....where we differ is the fact that his stepdad was beating him with his fist i got the belt or a stick.he would come to school with black eyes due to his infractions with the hall.after we left schoo we lost touch since he was still living at home an going to the meetings and i wasn't, kicked out at 17 so that ending my time with the org.he stayed at home until 21 still getting his fair share of beatings due to any sort of failing that had to do with the org.he left after one beating and joined the marines,he was dfed.while in the marines he told me he asked an got sniper training becoming a deadly shot,he also told me he always volunteered for the most dangerous missions.i can see that he was doing this to escape the pain of his upbringing even to his subconscious mind secrectly hoping to die on one of these missions.he tells me he has some sort of nerve disability that will progress until he cant walk,he has hearing loss due to a grenade going off by his head'he knows one day he will be in a wheelchair disabled it's only a matter of time.he hasn't spoke to his mother and his family in over 20 years they care nothing about him not even returning the calls he leaves on there answering machine,he told me he calls once a month for the past 20 years.sitting here at my house he says out of the clear blue you know i've thought a lot about going to brooklyn and with the skills i have i could do a lot of damage to those men that have ruined my life.i talked him out of it i think,i told him about this site where he could come to vent,because i think he needs to vent badly.i don't know what will happen to him when he is told his quality of life will get worse and if he will revisit the idea of lashing out at what he thinks has ruin his life,i don't know what he will do and even though i think i talked him out of doing anything,can i really say i blame him.i'm in the same boat my family is fractured broken all because of some men,men in brooklyn that hold more control over my family than i can,i wonder do thay ever think about the countless people that they affect with there shunning methods how many broken families they leave in there wake.i will say one thing there are many others out there that think the way my friend does i feel it's only a matter of time before karma comes a knocking..
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it's funny because the majority of my beatings had to do with the kingdom hall.I even mentioned this to my mother last week when she was saying my daughter was following my path,i stated to her minus all the beatings i got because of the hall,what does that leave like 3 beatings that i got for being a regular child.also as i stated my friend would regularly come to school with black eyes which at the time he blamed on skateboarding accidents but the select few of us witness children he would tell what really happened.
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The watchtower is making some dangerous enemies
by 20yearfader inthis weekend i spent time with a friend that i haven't seen since high school,that would be 22 years.he grew up the same way i did being a born in.he and i both received our share of beatings related to the wt org coming to the hall without a song book not getting a comment low hours in field service etc....where we differ is the fact that his stepdad was beating him with his fist i got the belt or a stick.he would come to school with black eyes due to his infractions with the hall.after we left schoo we lost touch since he was still living at home an going to the meetings and i wasn't, kicked out at 17 so that ending my time with the org.he stayed at home until 21 still getting his fair share of beatings due to any sort of failing that had to do with the org.he left after one beating and joined the marines,he was dfed.while in the marines he told me he asked an got sniper training becoming a deadly shot,he also told me he always volunteered for the most dangerous missions.i can see that he was doing this to escape the pain of his upbringing even to his subconscious mind secrectly hoping to die on one of these missions.he tells me he has some sort of nerve disability that will progress until he cant walk,he has hearing loss due to a grenade going off by his head'he knows one day he will be in a wheelchair disabled it's only a matter of time.he hasn't spoke to his mother and his family in over 20 years they care nothing about him not even returning the calls he leaves on there answering machine,he told me he calls once a month for the past 20 years.sitting here at my house he says out of the clear blue you know i've thought a lot about going to brooklyn and with the skills i have i could do a lot of damage to those men that have ruined my life.i talked him out of it i think,i told him about this site where he could come to vent,because i think he needs to vent badly.i don't know what will happen to him when he is told his quality of life will get worse and if he will revisit the idea of lashing out at what he thinks has ruin his life,i don't know what he will do and even though i think i talked him out of doing anything,can i really say i blame him.i'm in the same boat my family is fractured broken all because of some men,men in brooklyn that hold more control over my family than i can,i wonder do thay ever think about the countless people that they affect with there shunning methods how many broken families they leave in there wake.i will say one thing there are many others out there that think the way my friend does i feel it's only a matter of time before karma comes a knocking..
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This weekend i spent time with a friend that i haven't seen since high school,that would be 22 years.He grew up the same way i did being a born in.He and i both received our share of beatings related to the wt org coming to the hall without a song book not getting a comment low hours in field service etc....Where we differ is the fact that his stepdad was beating him with his fist i got the belt or a stick.He would come to school with black eyes due to his infractions with the hall.After we left schoo we lost touch since he was still living at home an going to the meetings and i wasn't, kicked out at 17 so that ending my time with the org.He stayed at home until 21 still getting his fair share of beatings due to any sort of failing that had to do with the org.He left after one beating and joined the marines,he was dfed.While in the marines he told me he asked an got sniper training becoming a deadly shot,he also told me he always volunteered for the most dangerous missions.I can see that he was doing this to escape the pain of his upbringing even to his subconscious mind secrectly hoping to die on one of these missions.He tells me he has some sort of nerve disability that will progress until he cant walk,he has hearing loss due to a grenade going off by his head'he knows one day he will be in a wheelchair disabled it's only a matter of time.He hasn't spoke to his mother and his family in over 20 years they care nothing about him not even returning the calls he leaves on there answering machine,he told me he calls once a month for the past 20 years.Sitting here at my house he says out of the clear blue you know i've thought a lot about going to brooklyn and with the skills i have i could do a lot of damage to those men that have ruined my life.I talked him out of it i think,i told him about this site where he could come to vent,because i think he needs to vent badly.I don't know what will happen to him when he is told his quality of life will get worse and if he will revisit the idea of lashing out at what he thinks has ruin his life,i don't know what he will do and even though i think i talked him out of doing anything,can i really say i blame him.I'm in the same boat my family is fractured broken all because of some men,men in brooklyn that hold more control over my family than i can,i wonder do thay ever think about the countless people that they affect with there shunning methods how many broken families they leave in there wake.I will say one thing there are many others out there that think the way my friend does i feel it's only a matter of time before karma comes a knocking.