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  Why The WTS *IS* To Blame re. Laree

  by ISP in

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  the wts will condemn the recent murder and do its best to distance itself from the parents.

  jws will say its the actions of people who are deranged and nothing to do with jws.

  they will say other religious groups harm children.

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  thewiz

  I'm not justifying these people murdering a/there child. I am not familiar with this particular case, although I do agree with you that the WTBS will distance themselves from it.

  But I do not recall the WTBS condoning child abuse. How do you consitute child abuse?

  Do you think I want my child not remembering what hit him/her as that big old Ford Explorer/Expedition/Excursion comes barreling down on him/her, well over the speed limit, and then burying them 3 days later? Or would I rather them remember the beating they got from running out in the street... AGAIN?

  And when I say beating I don't mean removing arms and legs.

  I got beat with a metal coat hanger and a horsewhip. Now that's abuse.

  But an open hand on the backside and a slap on the mouth for answering back one too many times? Come on. I'm not talking about fist bashing abuse.

  However, many times I have found that depriving them of something works better. No TV, Games, going to bed early, etc.
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  Do You Still Believe a God Cares for You?

  by JosephAlward in

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  i've been a part of this forum for about one month, and during that time i've been struck by the willingness of many so former jehovah witnesses either to ridicule the bible, or to stand by while it's being ridiculed.

  so, i'm wondering how many of them while witnesses suffered through experiences so searing that they no longer believe in the god of the old testament.. who among you still believe that underneath the layers of contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors in the bible there may be found the words of a god who created the universe, and who also cares about you, personally?.

  joseph f. alward.

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  JosephAlward

  ...underneath the layers of contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors in the Bible...

  what contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors?

  I didn't know there were any.
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  Got my Xmas Holiday Sheet

  by toddy in

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  just got my christmas holiday sheet,it reads as follows:.

  monday 24th dec,day off on the company.

  tuesday 25th dec,day off as per the queens instructions.

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  thewiz

  that wouldn't be the politically correct thing to do

  What about

  Kwanza
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  Chanukah
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  the pagan celebration of the solstice
  and
  whatever else is out there

  BTY
  what is boxer day really?
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  Listen! Her blood cries out from the ground!

  by Bridgette in

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  i cannot forget this little girl.. ezekiel 34:12 this is what the sovereign lord says: i am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.

  i will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.

  i will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them".

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  thewiz

  you people make it seem like the ONLY people who abuse chidren are Jdubs.

  Check it out people. It's the entire world.

  Look at China -where newborn babies are left in the gutter to die, especially if it is a girl. Made in China? -maybe you are part of the problem. Girls don't make as good a worker as boys. -Read it in one of the ball-and-chains women's mags.

  Look at the child slave industry, that you people buy your clothes from. Got a pair of Nikes? Your're guilty!!! Read that in Penthouse, and the ball-and-chains women's mags.

  Look at the child sex-slave industry in Bangkok.

  The children of the street in Rio DeJenaro that are shot, if I remember correctly, by the police. Ever go to Rio? Then you must have turned a deaf ear to the cries.

  Look at all the abortions!!! They aren't even given a chance...to escape the suction/knife. Worse, the sick people who rationalize that it isn't murder. "It's MY body I can do what I want!"

  I'll bring it up again, Rwanda, a predominately Catholic country, where people hacked to death small children.

  I'll bring this up again too, the USA dropped bombs on innocent children in Japan 50 years ago.

  You people think in the present. Think of time as an object that can be tapped into at anytime. Time doesn't lesson the lives they affected at the time of their atrocity, it drains all of humanity and subsequent generations.

  But, oh that's right, where here to ignore everything else, BUT what the WTBS does. My mistake.

  You people are limiting your scope, don't you think?
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  What helped you get over it?

  by ashitaka in

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  hi guys,.

  what helped you guys get over your anger of being shunned, dealt with unfairly, ignored, etc?.

  my wife and i found comfort in each other.

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  you don't
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  Did anyone watch the Dateline Exorcism?

  by LDH in

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  it was on last night's show.. what was your opinion?.

  lisa

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  If it helps him personally then it was a good thing...

  you know what helps me? Sticking my thumb up my ass! Now that's real!

  But can I get it on T.V. and get millions of mindless people to watch it?
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  Did anyone watch the Dateline Exorcism?

  by LDH in

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  it was on last night's show.. what was your opinion?.

  lisa

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  thewiz

  I'm sure the amazing Randy would have something to say about Exorcisms.

  Baloney, hog-wash, scam, etc.

  B.T. Barnum -would say, "suckers"
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  UN involvement announced at Assembly?

  by Simon in

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  i heard from someone that the wts was going to or had already announced something about the un involvement at an assembly.

  anyone else heard of this or is it a local thing ?.

  i would guess they may have only done this because of the coverage in the uk national newspaper which they know they have to counter.

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  Yerusalyim -Where's the "missing" J [8>]?

  I do like that moniker.

  One point I would like to make.

  Every year the Pope can be seen on the T.V. every Christmas Day
  Dec. 25th.

  He extoles all the virtues of Christ (makes me want to cry, it's sooo tender), who was born THIS day, so many years ago...

  Tell me, is that a lie or is that the truth? When you are done answering, go look these up -Jo. 8:44, Ro 1:25, lastly -Lu. 6:42

  You'll no doubt apply it to the WTBS, but that does not release you from your guilt by associating with the catholic church.

  You hate one lying borg (WTBS) and yet you belong to another (CATHOLIC).
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  MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

  by hawkaw in

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  as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

  and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

  after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

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  As you say, the info you have is from A! The information in the A! is then doubtful that that is what is really happening in the real world. The WTBS has it's own agenda on what this info means.

  That is, my question is, is the UN really taking those steps angainst the Vatican? Where can this info be verified in "secular" pubs? -newspapers, online, etc?

  But I would like to hypothisize something, if I may

  Without reading the A! I do not now the angle of argument they are trying to make, but I think it is pretictable. But I would venture to guess that it might be...

  If as the A! article is saying:

  [the UN really wants to remove the Vatican and give it an NGO-DPI status,] does that suggest that the Vatican has too much control over the UN and the UN wants to depose that power?

  After all The WTBS has tought for many years that the harlot (false religion, the chief part being Christendom) rides the scarlet colored wild beast (the UN). Thereby controlling the beast and having too much power and influence over it. This action would remove that control and power the Vatican holds over the UN.

  The WTBS has also said for many years that this beast would turn on the harlot and devour it? Would'nt this action be the first step in that direction?
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  UN involvement announced at Assembly?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i heard from someone that the wts was going to or had already announced something about the un involvement at an assembly.

  anyone else heard of this or is it a local thing ?.

  i would guess they may have only done this because of the coverage in the uk national newspaper which they know they have to counter.

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  I just thought I would remind you all.

  If the Catholic church can throw off any heat from itself, it will. The same things you accuse the WTBS of doing the Catholic church has already done.

  If you talk about one (WTBS), it is only fair to talk the other (Catholic). It's not an open debate if you don't.

  Oh, yeah I forgot, How about the molestation of 1000's of children. When a priest has a problem they ship him somewhere else. If they have too big of a problem they send them to a special councilling center in New/Mexico. That was on a news series 20/20 I think. It exposed the church. But all you people are only concerned about what happens in the WTBS. What about the victims? There are more than just the ones in the WTBS.

  Remember those laws of exposing and turning over molestors were in part created as a result of memebers of the CATHOLIC church.

  If your concern was for people then it would not be continuously be centric to the WTBS. Granted this is for JW and WTBS bashing. And please, if I say something is wrong and you call it bashing, then by the same token when you say the WTBS is wrong, it's bashing too. Lets just call it what it is, OK?

  You pick on the WTBS for the same things. I'm just keeping the playing field level, that's all.

  You call the Tablet an excellent publication. And yet many here call the WT & A! garbage. Not worth ANY merit.

  One person even suggested, that since the pope basically made a formal apology for the millions of Jews that died some how the church is less culpable.

  It's not just the tablet. It's just about any printed media.

  I toured the Newseum down here in VA soon to be in D.C. I came out of there in disbelief. How easily the news media manipulates people's outlook of the world. I got the impression that they were the same as the National Enquirer, only with a fancier name and a little higher level of reporting.

  You understand how people tend to anthropomorphize everything. Well Americans tend to Americanize everything. We/They see everything form thier own perspective, and that's not truth.

  Same way on these forums, we filter/compare just about anything we say against the WTBS, and forget everything else.

  Like I said, your attacks or bashing is virtually (98%) against one entity, the WTBS. You could care less about other entities, that do the same thing.

  These forums are for freedom of speech, as long as it is AGAINST the WTBS. This place is nearly the same as the WTBS, you're just wearing different suits. Outside comments are not really welcome.

  Oh, yeah, lets not forget about the Anglican church and the Episcapal church. Jus' keepin' it real BOooooy