Kent,
Just for you babe
Tracy
...at just letting go of things?
" i asked myself.. but then i thought, "maybe that's why they are out and free; they wouldn't just 'let go' of what was bugging them", and i got a funny warm feeling all over about those people for just a minute.
i'm sure it will pass
Kent,
Just for you babe
Tracy
your last name stays put.. the garage is all yours.. wedding plans take care of themselves.. chocolate is just another snack.. you can be president.. you can wear a white t-shirt to a water park.. car mechanics tell you the truth.. you don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your new haircut.. the world is your urinal.. you never have to drive to another gas station because this one's just.
too "yucky".. same work... more pay.. wrinkles add character.. wedding dress $5000; tux rental $100.. people never stare at your chest when you're talking to them.. the occasional well-rendered belch is practically expected.. new shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.. your pals can be trusted never to trap you with: "so, notice anything.
one mood, all the time.. phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat.. you know stuff about tanks.. a five-day vacation requires only one suitcase.. you can open all your own jars.. dry cleaners and hair stylists don't rob you blind.. you can leave the motel bed unmade.. you can kill your own food.. you get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.. if someone forgets to invite you to something, he or she can still be.
Hey Comf,
Thanks for posting The Rules...that was funny.
And yes, I would feel sorry for any poor "schmuck" who was stuck with a woman like that too. It was "tongue in cheek" humor, sweetie.
And for the chocolate bit...that was in reference to ex hubby.
Freepeace, I love you babe. I will initiate for you anytime.
Tracy
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
Larc,
Most excellent! ROTFLOL
Tracy
your last name stays put.. the garage is all yours.. wedding plans take care of themselves.. chocolate is just another snack.. you can be president.. you can wear a white t-shirt to a water park.. car mechanics tell you the truth.. you don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your new haircut.. the world is your urinal.. you never have to drive to another gas station because this one's just.
too "yucky".. same work... more pay.. wrinkles add character.. wedding dress $5000; tux rental $100.. people never stare at your chest when you're talking to them.. the occasional well-rendered belch is practically expected.. new shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.. your pals can be trusted never to trap you with: "so, notice anything.
one mood, all the time.. phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat.. you know stuff about tanks.. a five-day vacation requires only one suitcase.. you can open all your own jars.. dry cleaners and hair stylists don't rob you blind.. you can leave the motel bed unmade.. you can kill your own food.. you get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.. if someone forgets to invite you to something, he or she can still be.
OK Boys, (she says cracking her knuckles) Let me take a stab at this!
Why It's Better To Be A Woman
You can change your last name frequently and confound creditors and ex'es easily.
The bathroom is all yours.
Wedding planning is payback to your mother for all her crap.
Chocolate is an EXCELLENT substitute for sex.
You can be a president who actually keeps their pants zipped!
You can wear a white T-shirt to the water park, especially if you entered the wet T-shirt contest
Car mechanics will change your oil for free if you lean over a little.
You don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your husband's haircut.
The world is yours if you have a nice smile.
You can go for a long time without having to stop at a bathroom...years of practice.
No work, better pay...just marry some rich schmuck.
Wrinkles can be derma-braded.
Wedding cost $20,000. Him supporting you for life cost $1,000,000.
You can get people to stare at your chest when you want them to.
Pretending to not notice the man's occasional belch, it's just nicer.
New shoes complement your outfit perfectly, other women are jealous.
Your pals can be trusted to tell you what the schmuck is actually up to.
Once a month, for at least 7 days, you can be a perfect bitch..and the schmucks actually EXPECT it! [8>]
Phone can be used to harass people very effectively.
You know stuff about tank tops...and push up bras.
You can take 3 suitcases...and the schmuck will carry them for you.
You can soothe the schmucks ego by letting him open jars for you.
Dry cleaners and hair stylists know all the best gossip.
You can show the hotel maid how to make a bed properly.
You NEVER have to kill your own food.
You get extra credit for the slightest sexual initiation.
If someone forgets to invite you to something...you get to add another name to your "Bite Me" list.
Underwear can be edible...then he won't CARE what it cost!
If you're 34 and single, it just means the ex schmuck didn't make enough money.
Everything on your face can be enhanced fairly cheaply.
You can take nice naps in the passenger seat while schmuck drives all night.
You are capable of feeling pity for the deprived ones with only 3 pairs of shoes, and donate your extras to charity!
You don't feel the macho need to try to sleep with the maid.
You can carry on an intelligent conversation AND watch the game.
You can sample a multitude of desserts without having to buy any!
You receive many little gifts spontaneously from friends.
You are not expected to know the names of more than 5 sports stars.
You don't even HAVE to stop and think of how to turn ON a nut.
You never feel the need to grab your crotch in public.
You can iron anything in 2 minutes flat.
You can convincingly tell the schmuck the hairstyle he's had for 10 years still looks good.
The more you shave below your neck...the wilder you can drive them!
When you're pregnant, you have a legitimate excuse for your belly.
One purse, one pair of shoes, in every color, for all seasons.
You can have your nails "done" for you.
You also have freedom of choice concerning growing a mustache.
You would never be so incredibly stupid as to try to do Christmas shopping for all your relatives on Christmas Eve. You actually CARE if they like what you pick out.
Damn, it's BETTER to be a woman
Tracy
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
Larc,
Well put, as always.
Sounds to me like you and your wife have an excellent relationship. I am happy for you.
Just a suggestion, though. The next time she says "Well, that's Larc, I've seen it before," maybe you should try shaking it at her to get a reaction! Woohoo
Tracy
hey all,.
i don't know if my karma is screwed up or what, because today just has not been my day.
first i got up this morning, logged on the board and the first post i read was that drivel from you know or who knows or whatever his/her name is.
Yikes JonJon,
You really are having a bad day. I am SO sorry about your mother, and that is all I will say on the matter. I just want you to know I am sincerely sorry.
As for not having the witnesses come to your door ever again, how serious are you about that? If you really don't care about what anyone thinks, you could call the local hall or write them, give them your address, tell them you are an apostate who will rush out of his house forcing copies of Crisis of Conscience on anyone who knocks on your door! The problem with that is...after a few years your name may get smudged out on the back of the territory card...or some ding dong may just forget to look. So to be completely safe you could just post a sign on your door: "Apostate within, knock at your own risk". I would think that would stop even the most dedicated bible thumper.
think41self
"When agnostics die, do they go to the great perhaps"?
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
Larc,
You have raised some excellent points, and I am always impressed with your ability to express things succinctly. I totally agree with you that it is possible to stop loving someone or something. Having had one marriage fail, because of being "sucked dry" as you so aptly put it...yes, I stopped loving him.
When I use the term unconditional love, I am not referring to never ending love, or dysfunctional relationships. Maybe I am not using the term correctly...but to me it means totally loving and accepting another person just as they are...warts and all, so to speak. With absolutely no intention of trying to change something about them, or wishing they would just believe the way I do...or any other conditions. You see them in all their glory, and what faults they may have, and decide that the beauty of the person is still tremendous! That is what unconditional love means to me. It is what I feel for my husband now, what I feel for my kids, and a few more dear ones. I don't hand it out carelessly...unconditional love is a choice, IMHO.
think41self
"When agnostics die, do they go to the great perhaps"?
...at just letting go of things?
" i asked myself.. but then i thought, "maybe that's why they are out and free; they wouldn't just 'let go' of what was bugging them", and i got a funny warm feeling all over about those people for just a minute.
i'm sure it will pass
"Why do some of you suck so bad?"
As always Six, you manage to titillate and stimulate at the same time, . As for myself, I think I am very good at letting things go. Things that are unimportant or beyond my control. (unimportant of course only in my opinion)
You make a good point about why some are now out, that they couldn't just "let go" of the contradictions they were being taught, the inhumanity they saw being forced on the "lowly" ones, the interference in peoples personal lives where there was no authority for it to be inserted. So it is good not to let go of those injustices.
As for how I suck...I've been told I do it rather well, thank you
(Geez, did I say that? No wonder I'm getting a reputation)
think41self
"When agnostics die, do they go to the great perhaps"?
your last name stays put.. the garage is all yours.. wedding plans take care of themselves.. chocolate is just another snack.. you can be president.. you can wear a white t-shirt to a water park.. car mechanics tell you the truth.. you don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your new haircut.. the world is your urinal.. you never have to drive to another gas station because this one's just.
too "yucky".. same work... more pay.. wrinkles add character.. wedding dress $5000; tux rental $100.. people never stare at your chest when you're talking to them.. the occasional well-rendered belch is practically expected.. new shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.. your pals can be trusted never to trap you with: "so, notice anything.
one mood, all the time.. phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat.. you know stuff about tanks.. a five-day vacation requires only one suitcase.. you can open all your own jars.. dry cleaners and hair stylists don't rob you blind.. you can leave the motel bed unmade.. you can kill your own food.. you get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.. if someone forgets to invite you to something, he or she can still be.
Dana, Dana, Dana....
That was funny. Actually I had to laugh at some of the references. Strange as it may seem to you, some of the foibles of my own sex seem rather puzzling even to me...I can imagine how they must appear to men....who after all, think more with their little head than their big head . And for some....it is a verrrrrrrry littttttttle head.
think41self
"When agnostics die, do they go to the great perhaps"?
ive been posting for about a month now.
ive finally finished writing about my life.
its long and complicated.
Hello Ray and Welcome to the board
What a story you have told. If I didn't believe in enduring love before, after reading your story I would. You and your wife have been through a lot...and are still together. That is beautiful.
We all take different approaches trying to reach our loved ones. I cannot tell you how best to reach her. I do agree with you that she sounds extremely programmed...which most JW women are. Just a side point...does she work outside the home? It's been my experience that something as simple as that forces women to face more realities of people in the world, opening your mind to other thinking, etc... If you could ever get her to read Crisis of Conscience...that might just do it for her!
Good luck in your endeavors..and I am glad you settled that whole oral sex issue, to your mutual satisfaction
think41self
"When agnostics die, do they go to the great perhaps"?