when i would go out in service and discuss the issue of "universal sovreignty" i always wondered why in the back of my mind why the angels needed to have proven to them that jehovah was worthy of worship alone and not satan.
no doubt they would have known he was aall powerful.
he created everything... and most importantly he was god.
angels are not that smart? they want " to peer into these things" (I Peter 1:12) doctrinal that the WT explains again and again.
You can not be an elder if your kid AT HOME is rebellious.
That is why they had to kick him out of heaven to qualify again and maintain Universal Sovereignty ( elder qualification) I guess.
an hour or two ago, i was reading a topic on this forum that welcomed new elders to jwn.
there was some criticism aimed at the op and i understand that elders shouldn't be singled out as special.
one poster said he/she hates all elders.
Socrates: you are right: "--and if you are not challenging the elders--" or are perceived to be a challenge-- see cofty's letter to Brooklyn.
as a class, elders are perceived to be worse then Tyndale's clergy, for clergy comes with credentials, education not shared by the flock, whereas elders have elevated themselfs by mutual appointments wt-style, above the lower level members, -- IF-- they are, - or become- the power hungry type. but:
AGREED: No,
THERE are GOOD, HUMBLE SERVANTS serving.
the 144 ooo are called the "sealed" in rev.7.-- wt morphed that into "anointed".. in rev.14:4 the 144 k are referred to as "--firstfruits--".. .
in his letter to hebrew christians paul mentions at 12:23 the "congregation ("church" niv) of the firstborn".
the 144 000.. --------- so why did he write to them: "you have approached the congregation--" ???
The 144 OOO are called the "SEALED" in Rev.7.-- Wt morphed that into "anointed".
In Rev.14:4 the 144 k are referred to as "--firstfruits--".
In his letter to Hebrew Christians Paul mentions at 12:23 the "congregation ("church" NIV) of the firstborn". The 144 000.
--------- So why did he write to them: "you have APPROACHED the congregation--" ??? -- apparently in his understanding
Paul was writing to a group that were NOT PART of that congregation identified above, at least not yet. Also,
the SEALED 144 000 of Rev.7 are those marked for martyrdom, Stephen and all. a sealing that started in 33 CE.
since of all those billion partakers only 144 000 will be sealed,
is the bible really A BOOK FOR THE FEW,-- READ BY THE MANY? apparently not,
not according to Paul & John.
The pre-occupation with virginity goes way back in human history.
A recent Wt publication asserts that Abel died at around 100 years old, apparently childless. a virgin for sure? Abel leaving no widow?
144001: the preoccupation of males with small waist/ new females is an evolutionary thing. Males do not want to raise offspring that were fathered by earlier comers.
Wt explained the virginity of the sealed ones, with Paul words who wanted to present the congregation to Christ as a pure un-adulterated bride.
Any relation with politics worldly religion would render your offspring (fruits) suspect.
best not to be a prude if you are a bible reader.
did you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
watcher. the new covenant replaced the law covenant. All Jews were in the Law covenant. all christians are in the New covenant.
Only david, Judah's tribe were in the KINGDOM covenant.
Only aron Levi's tribe were in the priestly covenant.
Only the sealed ones aka "anointed" are in the KINGDOM covenant.
Watcher tower is all balled up, they mix up the New and the Kingdom covenant. not the same thing, research it. Jesus passed the wine (new covenant cup} to the apostles who had an EARTHLY HOPE.
there is a hidden agenda behind the "awww, aint they cute" goodwill campaign by the chinese to lend out pandas to zoos all over the globe:.
any logical argument that a global flood had pandas in the ark, and crossing the hymalyas in 5000 years at their observed ground speed can be refuted by watching them.. jws are attempting to logicly argue the truth.
all hope that the 8 and contributing writers from brooklyn visit the zoos.
still thinking: feasable? how? --- tips for wt flood spin on china?
1) Chinese culture is 5000 years old, so instant travel from Mt Ararat to the central kingdom, bringing pandas along as pets?
2) a green belt consisting of the distinct Bamboo-type panda diet from turkey to China with withering eastward feature to force panda migration?
3) pandas hitching a ride on the fast-moving Kangaroos to Australia, but getting off to make left turn up into the mountains?
4) making a quick dash to China before the Himalayas were formed after the flood?
so given the amount of focus on things that we can be angry or upset about, or how we have been wronged or abused.... i thought it was time for a bit of a change.. how about sharing some fun experiences?!!
ok, i will start.
i promised, in my opening post the other day, that i would share some that have happened over the years.
tech 49 : --- brown bag in car?
I thought you talked about a barf bag. which brings me to another thread: counsel by elders, but true experience:
We drove a little sporty 2 door with a handle or two inside to hang on during speedy maneuvres.
so counsel by CO to us: Whenever*** the Sisters, Brothers reach for the handles: SLOW DOWN.
slow down period and MAKE THE MORNING LAST US. think of the monthly report.
*** Whenever like in "W--they say peace and security". EVERY TIME,--- eventually it will be THE last time at that speed.
there is a hidden agenda behind the "awww, aint they cute" goodwill campaign by the chinese to lend out pandas to zoos all over the globe:.
any logical argument that a global flood had pandas in the ark, and crossing the hymalyas in 5000 years at their observed ground speed can be refuted by watching them.. jws are attempting to logicly argue the truth.
all hope that the 8 and contributing writers from brooklyn visit the zoos.
Thank you! so picture them clambering, sliding out of the ark on that TREATED WOOD ramp* and off on their 4000year trek to Chinas hidden valleys.
* we should find that ark if they had treated wood back then!
next year the watchtower society will be forced by world events (i.e.
no armageddon yet) to confront a full century of christ's presence.
with nothing to show for it!.
and we thought you meant the
OTHER FOSSIL
Lucy the one from the African Rift Valley.
slightly more than 100 years old.
