Posts by prologos

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Jonah's success, J-dubs failure in preaching.

by Darkknight757 in

3:1 then the word of the lord came to jonah a second time: 2 “go to the great city of nineveh and proclaim to it the message i give you.”3 jonah obeyed the word of the lord and went to nineveh.

now nineveh was a very large city; it took three days to go through it.

4 jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “forty more days and nineveh will be overthrown.” 5 the ninevites believed god.

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"God showed mercy to Jonah by not letting him drown", but he caused the storm in the first place (or did not stop it, endangering all). Then he send him on a mission to preach the downfall, when gad must have known full well, that here would in the end no destruction. He made af ool out of Jonah, and the witnesses are like fools with their 1914, 1925, 1975 2075 predictions, ostensibly miraculously derived at by god's spirit-directed organisation.

In the end, blame Jonah, or ha-noj, because he got it all backward.

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JWs and "Simple Truths"

by JW_Rogue in

in public talks we would always hear about how we knew god's word was the truth because it was simple and clear.

how god revealed the real truth to uneducated and ordinary people.

the problem is that in reality something being simple or clear isn't an indicator of it's truthfulness at all.

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1EJ: "--The heliocentric model appears more complex at first, but it allows for a far simpler explanation planetary motion.

Very interesting comparison, the planets are closer than the stars (except one) so should we look for truth that touches the near, rather than the distant? the far away the future, long ago the past?

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Not the Author of Confusion

by Coded Logic in

609 african independent charismatic.

black american apostolic.

african independent charismatic.

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CD: "I honestly don't see how the inspirations of Bach and Michelangelo make religion any less full of crap. ---

The one does not rule out the other, but There is less confusion (since this the theme), more harmony in Bach et al then in Hindemith, the modern painters,, the writers, that pride themselves in their own advancement.

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Not the Author of Confusion

by Coded Logic in

609 african independent charismatic.

black american apostolic.

african independent charismatic.

prologos

CD: "Not sure why Wild Thing got a thumbs down., Perhaps Because because of the fact that some religions, warts and worse, have inspired some of the best art & Music, --think Michelangelo, Bach;-- better sounds , and views, even smells than that he/she produces, while sitting down.

Village I. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160426.html Here is an explanation what galactic collissions produce.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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If they admitted that they were wrong they would merely confirm the obvious. rather late for that. The real issue is to continue down this path. the narrow road that does not lead to salvation. that is cramped, too restraint to allow a turnaround. bridges have been burned behind them so to speak. so

another generation gambit would just increase the wt's culpability.

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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F; "--If nothing then how in the world can nothing explode into something and what caused nothing to become something.

The current thought is, that there never was a nothing as we define it; the nothing prior and "outside" is seething with virtual energy, and the theory is that positive and negative, or matter and antimatter pop into existence balanced , zero energy when combined, but 2 if separated. A slight imbalance resulted in the structure we have today. but to do all this there had to be time to do it in, and that time could well be eternal. Not many like that idea, because it opens the possibility, that an unfathomable creator might be behind it all, and with all that energy and time on hand, do really great works.

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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CL: "--it means that "nothing" is inherently unstable and will always produce something. and when you have instability it implies change, acceleration, and that means means a priori you have time, even times squared to move through.

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Did Jesus really suffer? Really?

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

so over the course of three days he had a trial which doesn't seem to have bothered him much.

he got whipped ok that would have been agony and then put on a torture stake/ cross/ whatever yes that would have been hell.

but he was on it for a day and the whole thing lasted for three days.

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would physical perfection not given perfect control over pain, copious amount of self-made morphine? perfect love kills pain too, perfectly. He certainly had perfect control over the procreation pleasure, never even a hint of temptation. wish he had lived past a thousand to prove his "second Adam" status. far worse agonies suffered by so many for so much longer. How about a real impalement, without the nails, from the bottom up?

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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sir 82: "There was no "before". Time is an element of the universe, so it began at the big bang too. Time might not be as short lived as the universe. it is just that we got entangled with the elusive 4st dimension when we started to move through time in our beginning. While everything is linked to time in our expanding, moving world, why would that preclude that the imperceptible 4st dimension did predate the universe? (imperceptible in the sense that all we can do is measure our movement through it, or the movement of others.)

It is kind of nice to think that time will be still there, when we have stopped moving through it. ?

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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Simon: "--Without gravity, there is no time, why do you say that? The way I see it, in the equations of relativity, the more gravity there is , the less time you have, or to be more precise the slower you move through time, as seen by others. and regarding the supra-nothingness you seem to be mentioning , very well put by the way, it is just this that the video seem to refer to, when there is mention of the nothing being full of energy . If they are also contemplating the existence of other universes, like of course Penrose did, the idea of an absolute emptiness before, and still "outside" our realm becomes a possibility.