Posts by toribabe

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who wants to be second best?

by toribabe in

jw's belive that one day that they'll live in paradise, which is fine.. but how can the belive that they are saved?

the fact is they don't.

i concider being saved as a wonderful gift from god, that one day i'll see him and spend eternity with him, and 'with him' i would concider to be in 'heaven' with him.. the gospel is, that god loves you, jesus died for you so he could forgive your sins and that all man is equal in his eyes, and jw's stand firmly on that belief.and then they believe that at the end, 144 thousand shall go to heaven (which i think is the highest place, where god has his throne, and where he rules from, basically the best) and that the other belivers will stay on earth in paradise.. don't you think that,that's awful, how could all those belivers be satistfied with that?

toribabe

Thanks that was......... incouraging? But i'd rather listen to someone who believes and stands for something. i don't intend to offend you, but I'm sorry, if you think this world is great then you deserve this world.

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the pain inside me (a poem)

by toribabe in

jw
friends

the pain inside me is often very strong .

because there is much, thats so very wrong .

the hurt comes from the those that claim they love.

toribabe

The pain inside me is often very strong
Because there is much, that’s so very wrong
The hurt comes from the those that claim they love
A claim that’s false, God knows above
“We are in the truth,” that is their claim
But that’s a lie to their very own shame
And when you prove it, with scripture equipped
They will reject you, you’ll be disfellowshipped
That’s when they tear many families apart,
They do it by shunning, their specialist art
Their so called love suddenly turns to hate
As married ones start loathing their mate
Children do no more honor their father & mother
Family members turn against one another
Apostates they scream, Apostates they shout
And appeals to reason and mercy they flout
Some of the Lords most faithful they have expelled
Oh, what inner pain, what deep sorrow is felt
They are apostates, they’re evil, they cry
Thereby adding more slander to their vicious lie
They are the “Faithful Slave” and provide the food for you
They demand that you eat and digest what is mostly not true
They watch from the tower and print it in word
But their false dates and prophesies are absurd
“We print and print, you go from house to house “ they say
And their ever-changing teachings cause only dismay
“We are the ‘Governing Body’ you must obey” they proclaim
To rule the world from heaven is their sinister aim
But the kingdom of heaven they shut up before men
They filled the number, they say, and now no one goes in
They decide all of this in Jehovah God’s name
But God’s son Christ Jesus will expose their great shame
He’ll say, “I never knew you, get away from me
You’re workers of lawlessness, it’s plain to see”
Then their wailing and gnashing of teeth will begin
Too late, too late, to recover from evil and sin
As “goats” they’ll be judged and off to destruction
In Christ’s Kingdom of love the sheep find satisfaction
He’ll wipe the tears of many faces so sore
The pain inside me will be no more.

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who wants to be second best?

by toribabe in

jw's belive that one day that they'll live in paradise, which is fine.. but how can the belive that they are saved?

the fact is they don't.

i concider being saved as a wonderful gift from god, that one day i'll see him and spend eternity with him, and 'with him' i would concider to be in 'heaven' with him.. the gospel is, that god loves you, jesus died for you so he could forgive your sins and that all man is equal in his eyes, and jw's stand firmly on that belief.and then they believe that at the end, 144 thousand shall go to heaven (which i think is the highest place, where god has his throne, and where he rules from, basically the best) and that the other belivers will stay on earth in paradise.. don't you think that,that's awful, how could all those belivers be satistfied with that?

toribabe

JW's belive that one day that they'll live in paradise, which is fine.
But how can the belive that they are saved? The fact is they don't.
I concider being saved as a wonderful gift from god, that one day i'll see him and spend eternity with him, and 'with him' i would concider to be in 'heaven' with him.
The gospel is, that god loves you, jesus died for you so he could forgive your sins and that all man is equal in his eyes, and JW's stand firmly on that belief.And then they believe that at the end, 144 thousand shall go to heaven (which i think is the highest place, where god has his throne, and where he rules from, basically the best) and that the other belivers will stay on earth in paradise.
Don't you think that,that's awful, how could all those belivers be satistfied with that?

they say God is perfect. i totally agree. He wouldn't lie to us.

So why would he tell us that we are all equal, and then when we have all worked just as hard, loved him and treated him with exactly the same respect as every other beliver, and then he goes and chooses 144,000 of us to live up there with him.
Thats like a Dad telling his kids that he loves them all equally. Then saying if they honer and obey him that, when it comes to splitting the inhertitance, that they'll all get 4 wheel drives.
Soon it comes to that time, they all do get their 4x4's, but one kid gets a A big flash sports car, and and large garage to house it.

I have the same problem with the bread and wine, Jesus died for every sinning soul, he said that we were all equal, and that we should ALL remember, by breaking bread and drinking the wine, in rememberence of him, and yet only our elder's are aloud to take this. I'm upset, we are all equal, we have all sinned, all got soul's, all followed and obeyed him, yet only a select few get the privaliges.

Could someone answer this for me?

P.s i'm sorry for the terrible spelling.

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to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

by dubla in

i started this new thread as you requested.

we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

toribabe

I'm sorry i'm must of been replying to the wrong person, i was talking to your appoinent.

I wasn't stiring.

But i have noticed that your well spoken and quick to insult people. You supposed to let them explain what they mean before you shout them down. If you are a JW you are a good example of one, very loving.

But i'll remember to keep my opinions neutrel for you next time.

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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...

by Adonai438 in

jw
friends

if jesus is not god, then explain... .

-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?

-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?

toribabe

i guess that means jesus is god

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Do I convert for him????

by butalbee in

i am going totally crazy without him in my life.

i miss talking to him for hours on the phone, i miss spending time with him, i miss being a part of his life.

it was my decision to end things, and i know he still wants to be with me, but i am still torn to pieces.

toribabe

I totally agree.

Don't.

They are a bunch of control freaks. They're totally bad news.

I've d=got a boyfriend and he's a JW. They have no interest in the things of god, They just use god as a cover. They're a cult, and they like to be in control

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to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

by dubla in

i started this new thread as you requested.

we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

toribabe

I concider god not to arrogant.
Arn't you supposed to have the attitude of god?
So why are you so arragant, and you all seem to be the same.

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to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

by dubla in

i started this new thread as you requested.

we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

toribabe

Doe's it really matter if they've trailed off, what they are saying is the truth. You may accuse them of avoiding your issue, but maybe your issue is irrelivent.
All they want is the truth. You either want to learn and know, or you don't.

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to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

by dubla in

i started this new thread as you requested.

we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

toribabe

and happy new year to you too:)

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to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

by dubla in

i started this new thread as you requested.

we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

toribabe

Are you guy's happy?