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  PIMO elder

  by Reservations in

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  i’m reservations, pimo elder.

  i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?

  any ideas?.

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  Longlivetherenegades

  Whatever you do like others have said, no good or clean way of getting out.

  Even as highly influential Raymond Franz was, he said his books are not made to get people out of the organization. It is more like, they will get out when their own time comes.

  I always see THOSE wanting to leaving the ORGANIZATION as being on a LONG QUEUE. You are on the QUEUE when it gets to your turn, you will either drop the resignation letter, fade, disfellowshipped or disassociate.

  Despite how close I was with a number of those within the congregation, sometimes reasoning with them both during meetings, field service, normal gatherings on some of the beliefs that call the organization being JEHOVAH'S organisation into question none ever asked me or seek clarification personally from me up till today the reason I decided to disassociate.

  how do you think best to do this? Any ideas?

  My advice is to watch out for the thought police(not limited to the elders, Ms but it extends to their wives, children and every other member of the congregation)

  
  

  They will get you if you are not careful and in the will to get members woken up you will be brutally exited from the organization and the efforts and good standing all these years goes into the drain and get thrown under the bus. Watch your back. The Informant mechanism is always in place.
  
  
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  Why wasn’t O’Donnell charged with receiving stolen goods.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  firstly i appreciate the work mark o’donnell does for the xjw community.

  no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.

  but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.

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  joe134cd here you are.....

  the reason why the wt did not make the "complaint" for the "theft" of confidential documents, is because those documents were taken from within the database of the sectarian corporation WT, that is the answer to the Big question of why Mark O'Donnell or others were not charged. Don't forget that ex jw friends.

  You can equally just copy on Google translate and you get the translation.
  
  
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  9 Year Old Used Basic Logic And Came To An "Apostate" Conclusion

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  related experience;.

  basically what happened is my mom was studying with my 9 year old sibling and they were talking about the paradise.

  my sibling then proceeded to ask, in a clearly joking way, "what if jehovah was tricking us and we don't go to paradise?

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  What is impossible with men is possible with God.

  With God all things are possible. Lying is not a thing, I guess?
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  If all GB members died at once?

  by Jofi_Wofo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't suppose anyone knows for sure, but do we have any kind of hint of what would happen if all of the governing body members died at the same time- such that nobody was left to appoint successors?

  in lieu of any solid evidence, i'd also be interested in hearing some speculation based on what we already know about the organizational structure.. it would certainly throw a wrench in either the teaching that the faithful and discreet slave will survive into the great tribulation and/or the implied doctrine that the the gb succession arrangement is justifiable biblically.

  let me firmly disclaim any implication that i am encouraging violence or wishing death on the governing body.

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  Helpers to the GB members will take over. An article on this year 2019
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  STUDY ARTICLE When a Loved One Leaves Jehovah

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  the watchtower—study edition | september 2021. study article 39. when a loved one leaves jehovah.

  2 think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!

  (jude 6) and imagine how hurt he was at seeing his beloved people, the israelites, rebel against him time and again.

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  We must personally decides whether we will serve Jehovah. Looooool! Leaving a religious organization by writing a resignation or disassociation letter equates to leaving Jehovah. This Jehovah is a property of a religious establishment headquartered somewhere in North America.
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  For Witnesses Who Want To Leave Fade, Disassociate or Get Disfellowshipped?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  my opinion is if possible fading is the best way to go..

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  Longlivetherenegades

  This has been repeatedly discussed over and over again. There is never a best way to leave. Everyone will carry his or her own load when the time arrives.

  I know there are members who have little or no benefit from their membership for certain number of years. These ones when they DA it is as good as nothing to lose.
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  Statements or Comments Made By JWs That Were WRONG

  by minimus in

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  jehovah’s witnesses claim to be the only religion that has the truth.

  they claim to be representing god himself.

  can you think of anything that you could use to prove that the witnesses do not have the truth?.

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  @ Atlantis

  Not only are they wrong at what you highlighted up there, they equally lied about it. They give explanation for only inactive witnesses not really for those "no longer used to".
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  What does the Watchtower Society's History of Prophetic Speculation Prove?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  question: what does the watchtower society's history of prophetic speculation prove?.

  how would you respond to this answer provided by paul coom... yesterday on quora?.

  "our organization has never been a prophetic speculator.

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  As those Bible students soon found out, however, it can be one thing to learn what the Bible teaches about a certain doctrinal subject but quite another to discern correctly the meaning of a Bible prophecy. Why is that so? For one thing, Bible prophecies are often best understood when they are undergoing fulfillment or after they have been fulfilled. But there is another factor. To understand a prophecy correctly, we generally have to consider its context. If we focus on only one aspect of the prophecy and ignore the rest, we may draw the wrong conclusion. In hindsight, it seems that this has been the case with a prophecy in the book of Joel. Let us review that prophecy and discuss why an adjustment in our present understanding is needed.........study article 14 year 2020

  Emphasis on Bible prophecies are often best understood after they have been fulfilled

  If we focus on only one aspect of the prophecy and ignore the rest, we may draw the wrong conclusion......same study article.

  For many years, we have applied that prophecy symbolically to the way in which Jehovah’s people, like an unstoppable swarm of locusts, engage in their preaching activity.
  

  However, when we consider the prophecy in its context, we see that a different understanding is appropriate. Let us examine four reasons why this is so.......same article

  
  

  When those prophecies are taught and speculated back then they are truth but when they add as captured in this article that new interpretation is different or admitting not following context leads to wrong interpretation. Then you can be guaranteed that they are all bunch of ...............................

  In reality the prophecies were made to fulfill and match their doctrines nothing else. They were not explained or interpreted to fulfill what was intended by the writer of those prophecies.

  
  
  
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  Banned words in the organization

  by Addison0998 in

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  2. beliefs

  i was talking to my sister in law the other day about death, and i mentioned something about the afterlife, i don’t remember what i said but it was nothing shocking .

  but she squealed, “we don’t believe in the afterlife!

  !” and i reasoned, well we kinda do...life after death is the after life..and she just insisted no no it’s not the same thing.

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  Longlivetherenegades

  Good catch @ new boy
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  J Dublethink

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm just thinking of examples of jw doublethink.. here's one - jws will tell a bible study or unbaptised publisher that there is no hierarchy within the org.

  they typically remark on christendom's hierarchy but then say 'we are all brothers'.

  but as a person gets further into the cult, jws will constantly stress the need to obey the governing body.. jw hierarchy .

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  What makes a religion right is its total adherence to God’s Word. Whether our religion meets this criterion or not can only be determined by open-mindedly comparing it with the Bible.

  Certainly such an important matter as our worship of God should not be determined for us by the coincidence of where we were born. After all, the child born to Catholic parents has had no more control over this fact than the child born to Muslim parents controls that..........Awake 1984 November 22

  I wonder why the writer of this 1984 awake article didn't write the below this way

  Certainly such an important matter as our worship of God should not be determined for us by the coincidence of where we were born. After all, the child born to Catholic parents has had no more control over this fact than the child born to Jehovah's witnesses parents controls that.

  It just shows that whatever is applied to those outside is never to be applied to insiders. A very good point to show them how hypocritical they are when they shun family members who decided to leave the religious organization of JWs as they placed it in this article cited..........

  What makes a religion right is its total adherence to God’s Word.

  And when the children born by JWs finds out the religion they were born into didn't adhere totally to God's word. They get shunned and as it were become despicable apostates that goes up in smoke according to AM III