Posts by Longlivetherenegades

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QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

by gone for good in

a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

here is the document .

https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

Longlivetherenegades

A while back, I suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and PIMOs to preempt the elders' interference by QUITTING QUIETLY first.

LLTR: No doubts the documents will aid the cause of leaving but it is not like the JW ORG don't know their members don't have HUMAN RIGHTS independent of the organization. An organization that sees every other human organization as being INFERIOR to theirs the reason they keep TRAMPLING on their members recklessly.

To the bolded in the land of JWs leaving quietly was and is never an option. I was wondering after the statement "quiting quietly first", what next?

NEVER,NEVER,NEVER SUBMIT A LETTER OF DISASSOCIATION. It gives your rights and dignity into the hands of those you despise.

The documents we are expected to download carries freedom of thought and expression. Rub it in the of face of the JW ORG that the RIGHT they gave their members is to DISASSOCIATE. Any JW doing so is in line with those documents you posted up there.

After all being disfellowshipped or disassociated carries same CONSEQUENCE in the land of JWs.

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Watchtower Convicts Itself - Quotes

by Sea Breeze in

this short video contains a few quotes from the wt that may help loved ones wake up a bit.

i thought it was pretty well done.

i wish the title wasn't so "in your face", but rather eased into it a bit more discreetly.

Longlivetherenegades

A good title for the post. The materials the organization had produced over the years is leading many into what they call APOSTASY. since their is the causative item. Definitely the producers of such publications are APOSTATE.

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Who was it who ''rescued'', or ''saved'' you?

by Beth Sarim in

from the borg?.

i point to none other than cal lehman and the towerwatch ministries.

towewatch.com.. the years following the collapse of the ussr and the 1995 generation left a bad taste in my mouth for a long time.

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I was inquisitive about a person's monicker on a public platform in my country. He was always going against and posting things in my view I believe was against JWs ORG. I said the way to get to this monicker is to see the idea behind his monicker. My inquisitive findings led me to the 2 books of Ray Franz because that monicker was formed using the names of those books. I had come across one of those books some years back which I waved it off as of no importance considering what I heard about the writer as being apostate

I leapt for joy saying I have a good clue where all his post and "bitterness" came from. So I tasked myself a QUEST to debunk these books before going back to DEBUNK all his post. I started with CoC which was the very same book I waved off, before I could complete the reading of CoC, I was inching to DEVOUR ISoCF I started as someone who wanted to DEBUNK, I ended as SOMEONE raging inwardly at the ORGANIZATION. The very thing the organization loves to condemn and tag others as FALSE is what they practice and do equally.

I met more than I can actually CHEW. It dawned on me that the ORGANIZATION I thought was controlled and directed by JEHOVAH was not what it really is. It was INDEED correct the concept I bought was ORGANIZATION. The comparison used by RAY regarding TRINITY and ORGANIZATION was apt. Oh I enjoyed the part where RUTHERFORD was saying the LORD said...........

some should report 50 hours Some 75 hours and blah blah and that their integrity is based on following such instructions. I said REALLY? Where did he received such instructions? I was glad I found what looks like the very genesis of reporting for FIELD SERVICE. It was pure commands of men.

I couldn't take my eyes off. This led me to many other books of ex-jws and websites. In no time I was reading reviews of Watchtower articles from this website and others. It was clear there was a lot of INSUBORDINATION and MANIPULATION going on. The veil was ripped off. In +/- two years I said my AU REVOIR.

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Talking to a Jehovah`s Witness .Ask the right questions .

by smiddy3 in

what questions should be asked to a jehovah`s witness when confronted with them.. a jw gives his sermon.

"you" immediately ask him by what authority he has from god that you should take notice of him ,seeing their are over 40,000 different christian religions in the world who claim to represent god,.

jw.

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@ wanton

How can JWs and Roman Catholic who share common denominators which is the CSA, who both claim they are the channel to God through their spokesmen

and one remains a channel to GOD(the WTBTS)?

the other remain the EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION(the Roman Catholic)?.....using the BINOCULARS of WTBTS

How will a JW resolve the issue up there?

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Talking to a Jehovah`s Witness .Ask the right questions .

by smiddy3 in

what questions should be asked to a jehovah`s witness when confronted with them.. a jw gives his sermon.

"you" immediately ask him by what authority he has from god that you should take notice of him ,seeing their are over 40,000 different christian religions in the world who claim to represent god,.

jw.

Longlivetherenegades

JW: after his 2 minutes marketing sale

LLTR: Roman catholic claim it is the only channel to God. Do you agree?

JW: No

LLTR: The WTBTS also claim it is the only channel to God. Do you agree?

JW: Yes

LTTR: Why is it a NO for the Catholic and a Yes for the JWs when you both share a common denominator CSA.

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Being Reinstated

by azl0058 in

so my brother recently became df.

he has full intentions of being reinstated, but it is going to take at least a year.

if the end times occurs while he is df, will he still be allowed in the kingdom of god?.

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By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

at Op the JWs in their FAQS states those who will be saved rest squarely in the hands of JESUS. JWs and NON JWs under consideration. Reinstated or not reinstated counts for NOTHING.

This reminds of an illustration given in ISoCF a brother who got disfellowshipped for fornication. He went ahead to marry the lady had a good life and well respected in his community. Do you know JWs cannot associate with him based on the fact that he has not bowed to the elders to reinstate him?

What about the smart and hidden sinners in the CONG. Will they be saved simply because they are smart at not getting caught and thereby not disfellowshipped?

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The Mysterious Missing Islam.....

by snare&racket in

i've discussed this before but not in this context alone.. i remember being about 14 years old, 1994 and starting a study in the uk with a charming muslim from the congo.

he was a very pleasant middle aged guy with a big family, two wives, always the most hospitable.

at the time the watchtower had a book on many religions, a thick red book called 'mankind's search for god' so i would read and discuss the section on islam with him.. interestingly, but not surprising, many details they had were wrong about islam and he would explain how and correct me.

Longlivetherenegades

Will be interesting to see an article that point directly that ISLAM is a false RELIGION. Perhaps one needs to see the closing paragraphs of the chapters that touched on Islam as contained in Mankind search for God. Whenever the brochures or tracts are produced concerning Islam it is always about seeking COMMON GROUNDS rather than outright condemnation. I don't think that can be said of Buddhism or other religions.

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Did You Fully Buy the WT View of Romans 6:7 (Acquitted of Sin by Dying) ?

by Sea Breeze in

romans chapter 6 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the old man in the king james version.

the old personality must die, he cannot be fixed.

the old personality is characterized by dominance of the flesh.

Longlivetherenegades

https://beroeans.net/2012/06/21/what-type-of-death-acquits-us-of-sin/

This will help to. It also include references where the watchtower explained Romans 6:7

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Why is the Watchtower "soft" on China?

by Sad-u-see in

let's see, wt is "banned" in china.

the wt preaches that reaching everyone on the planet is so important, yet they barely have a footprint in china.

if saving lives was so important, why do they not aggressively proselytize in china?

Longlivetherenegades

Perhaps they understand the posture of China well enough to know that an aggressive preaching and meetings for their members will be SUICIDAL or death sentence.

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Fear > Facts (WT Study Article 12/6/2020

by Jofi_Wofo in

a doozy in today's study article brought me to post here for the first time in a while.

once again, watchtower leadership is doing its level best to make their adherents as fearful of inconvenient facts as they, themselves, are.. "like timothy, we must also discern the danger of false information spread by apostates.

(1 tim.

Longlivetherenegades

The same ORGANIZATION that said the ROMAN CATHOLIC claim of being the only AGENCY OF HUMAN SALVATION is FASLE and that the ROMAN Catholic is a FALSE RELIGION. That same organization cannot be TRUE since the same CRITERIA used to LABEL the roman Catholic as false is what the same organization preach and do.

Last time I checked survival of the GREAT CROWD OF OTHER SHEEP depends on instructions and direction given by Helpers to the GOVERNING BODY. What about those who are not EVEN part of the great crowd of other sheep?