Posts by Sevan

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Are they either leaving or going full on 'cult mode'? No quarter.

by punkofnice in

it might just be me imagining things.. i hear things from my jw spies.. from all that's being said, it seems to me that the rank and file(tm), are either waking up to the scam and fading/leaving.

they are going full on 'cult mode' and acting like 'spiritual police'.. is it just me and my imagination?

have others noticed this?.

Sevan

punkofnice, is that you in the videos? I like the accent!

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CONGREGATION FLEECING RESULTS?

by The Searcher in

how much did your congregation and its bank account get taken for?

share your horror story!.

We had nearly $350,000 saved up to help purchase a new Kingdom Hall closer to our territory. Land alone was around $2 million at the time and it was said that it was going to be the most/one of the most expensive Kingdom Halls ever built. Really needed though since most publishers were driving 15 - 25 minutes to get to the Hall in another town and it was really hard to get any interested ones to drive all that way to come to the Hall.

Anyway, when the new arrangement came out, we "loaned" all our money interest free to the Society and agreed to a monthly stipend of about $1800 to send as well.

It was then decided by the Society that we would just remodel the Hall we already had, which itself is in a very high value area, instead of building a new one closer to territory.

Believe me, I was irritated by this arrangement. Especially since I had gone out of my way to contribute generously toward our new Hall for years.

I had some solace at the time, thinking that the money was going toward poorer countries in need. Now I know what a crock of bull that was.

The Society can honestly do whatever it wants and the sheeple will go along and continue to take their beatings obediently.

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What the Org Teaches #5 "God's" Law on Shunning is Flexible For Elders!

by The Searcher in

parents are forced by the org to regard their disfellowshipped children as if they were dead, non-existent - even if their child was in dire straits.

's feel when they hear that it's ok for elders to try and encourage disfellowshipped ones back to the org, but they can't?.

what the org says: km 8/02 p. 4 par.

Sevan

Except that Matthew 18:17 is not about disfellowshipping at all. It is about resolving a personal conflict. It states, "If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you (singular) just as a man of the nations and a tax collector." Also, the passage states to bring the matter before the whole congregation, not a secret star-chamber of 3 elders, and then only after all the previous options had been exhausted.

This is something the Witnesses never follow. Never once does Jesus mention expelling or disfellowshipping in that passage. It is not even about that. Excommunication was something practiced by the Synagogues of the apostate Jewish nation, not something Jesus ever endorsed.

Just another example of the JWs perverting Scripture to suit their own ends. They are much more like the apostate Jewish nation and the Scribes and the Pharisees than they are anything like Christ Jesus. Jesus was a true revolutionary of his time and in many ways still of our time.

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What the Org Teaches #4 There Are Two Ways to Get Sins Wiped Out

by The Searcher in

#4 there are two ways to get sins wiped outthe following five scriptures lay the foundation stone of christianity, namely, that christ died for people's sins.

virtually every christian denomination on earth accepts these bible statements without question: .

(matthew 26:28) "....this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

Sevan

Borean Pickets had an interesting article on the subject of whether or not Adam was created perfect or sinless:

http://meletivivlon.com/2013/11/28/was-adam-perfect/

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Just a little anecdote illustrating how out of touch the typical JW is

by sir82 in

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this weeks book study lesson was on martha, the sister of lazarus.

the chapter in the "imitate their faith" book praised her for being "industrious".. the conductor at our congregation meeting was just positively gushing about how "industrious" modern-day jw women are.. he was so exciting, he could barely get the words out.

following is not an exact quote, but conveys the gist:.

Sevan

Yeah, one of the elders in our hall that is harassing me to meet with the brothers right now is always making sexist remarks about women and putting his wife down in service. He is a total self-righteous misogynistic douche. But he's wealthy and been an elder for decades, so in other words high status and untouchable.

This is the same guy that harassed and excessively criticized me for going to University. He actually said to me, "why don't you just start a business?" Ummm, maybe because my parents are dirt poor and can't give me tens of thousands of dollars to start a business like your dad did for you?

Just clueless.

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Can JWs Use Corporal Punishment On Their Children?

by minimus in

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can a parent slap or use a "rod of discipline" on their kids?

i know it's politically incorrect and perhaps illegal, but is it a personal decision based upon the scriptures or is it taboo these days?.

Sevan

All I know is this:

I live in the US and spanking/smacking still occurs regularly in the hall.

Funny thing is, I have never spanked or been physical with my 3 kids and they're the best behaved in the hall. I don't ever yell or raise my voice with them either. I was severely abused as a child in every way and I am not about to keep that cycle going. Just goes to show that you don't need to be harsh to get compliance. Explain, praise and reward is my method.

Sick thing is, the parents, especially with position in the congregation, expect perfect behavior of little children during extremely boring meetings. Then lose their minds when their kids act out a little.

When my kids were little, they got to draw, sit on my lap or sleep at the meeting and then got candy/ice cream afterward. If they got too fidgety, I'd take them for a walk outside, let them get out some of that energy. Parents run into problems because they don't let anything slide and expect behavior that isn't age appropriate. This whole problem would be solved if the JWs would just have age-appropriate classes for the kids instead of making them sit through the adult meetings. When I was growing up, I went to Sunday school and it was great. But I digress.

Anyway, I just stopped going to meetings recently. When I was going, there was an elder that would beat his little 2 and 3 year old daughters for acting up/fidgeting at the meetings, just for doing normal kid stuff. And a single sister that was real bad about this too with her 3 year old. Like seriously, you could hear the sound of the smacking reverberating through the hall, that's how hard they were hitting these kids.

Anyway, I complained multiple times to a couple of other elders because I was worried about these kids, but nothing was ever done. I should have done more, but I didn't want to make waves in the congregation. Never again. If I ever witness a kid being abused like that again, I will make sure that I do everything I can to advocate for that innocent child.

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The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol

by Sevan in

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so the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.

most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.

i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.

Sevan

Asshole elders can't even spell my name right after 11 years in the same congregation. They just sent my husband a text trying to get him to make me meet with them and they spelled my name wrong. After 11 years of knowing me. Just goes to show how little they care. Fuck those guys. Organization heavies, the lot of them.

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Sophia and Caleb videos helped wake me up

by Sevan in

so the sophia and caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the sparlock/obey jehovah video and the pay attention at the meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.

previous to these videos, i was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior i noticed in some witness parents was the result of their own mental issues.

now i realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.

Sevan

Come to think if it, with all the talks, videos and literature that made me mad over the years, all the unbiblical and pharasaical nonsense, it is absolutely amazing I stayed in as long as I did. I just didn't know where else to go.

Tony Morris's "tight pants" talk and the anti critical-thinking talk at the 2012/2013? convention are a couple of the many "holy shit, I think I might be in a cult" moments for me. But the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me was the shunning video at this year's convention. I could no longer delude myself that the evil extreme shunning I saw some Witnesses practicing toward their family was the result of imperfect humans in the congregation. I could no longer maintain the fantasy that the GB was going to correct this nonsense and come out with more loving directions. I now realize that the rank and file originate nothing. This sick and twisted behavior comes from the top down. There is no Holy Spirit directing these men. Just thirst for power, status and money.

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Sophia and Caleb videos helped wake me up

by Sevan in

so the sophia and caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the sparlock/obey jehovah video and the pay attention at the meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.

previous to these videos, i was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior i noticed in some witness parents was the result of their own mental issues.

now i realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.

Sevan

Yeah, I forgot about that one DesirousOfChange. I was completely disgusted when I saw that too. They are literally stealing candy, or in this case ice cream, from babes.

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Sophia and Caleb videos helped wake me up

by Sevan in

so the sophia and caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the sparlock/obey jehovah video and the pay attention at the meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.

previous to these videos, i was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior i noticed in some witness parents was the result of their own mental issues.

now i realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.

Sevan

So the Sophia and Caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the Sparlock/Obey Jehovah video and the Pay Attention at the Meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.

Previous to these videos, I was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior I noticed in some Witness parents was the result of their own mental issues. Now I realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.

My step-kid's bio mom is a lot like the crazy controlling hyper uptight and unbalanced mom in the Sophia and Caleb videos. She's worse of course because she's also a double life-living, hypocritical, pathologically lying narcissist. But yeah, she's given my step-kids insane guilt trips over stuff my husband and I let them watch (My Little Pony, Transformers, Pokemon, Beauty and the Beast, Frozen, etc) and related toys we bought them. I have always been so annoyed about this because my step-kids would be in tears with guilt after their mom lit into them and then wouldn't want to play with hundreds of dollars of toys that we bought them that they were super excited about and asked us to get them before their crazy mom guilt-tripped them. I have always told the kids that Jehovah cares a lot more about how kind, loving and considerate they are than what TV shows and movies they watch.

Now I know that their crazy mom has just been following orders from the Borg and I am the one that was never properly assimilated.

Anyway, just saying, the Sophia and Caleb videos are one of the many things that added up to help open my eyes. So the GB can blame themselves for that one. These videos are back firing.