Posts by trevor

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Question for MDS and Co.

by eyes_opened in

i'm just curious, as your prophesies are directed at jehovahs witnesses, why do you keep posting to this board?

most here are having big problems with jw's, and are either already out or on our way out.

if your messages and retributions are for those who are still strongly jw, why not direct your messages at *them* me thinks you are in the wrong place.

hi, dfs.. first of all, let me say it is not necessary to label yourself on this board, or anywhere on the internet for that matter.. so many of us have family members that are df'd, it really doesn't hold much water round here.

i did have some questions for you though, which of course you don't have to answer.. 1. why were you disfellowshipped?

(pls.

trevor

It is very human to feel resentment towards Witnesses who want to keep a foot in both camps. I have mentioned before that my younger brother is an elder who comes with his wife to stay. He likes to have a laugh tell me jokes he would not hare with other elders and feels he can have a drink and be himself when he is with us.

It is tempting to point out that he is being two faced an dishonest and that he should live up to standards he claims to uphold. However I view him with compassion seeing a man who has been tricked and only gets to be himself when he is out of town. If he wants to think he is getting the best of both worlds then so be it, but he is fooling no one but himself. Time is the great leveller.

I never judge him, try to council him or point out the contradictions in his life. I just enjoy his company take him at face value and take pleasure in knowing that I am one of the few people who really get to know him. On has to rise above negative emotions and except such people as they are. I left the Witnesses to claim my right to meet people without prejudice. To allow other peoples inconsistencies to annoy me would be to fail myself.

I hope that by sharing this I have helped others to enjoy peace within themselves regardless of what others do.

Trevor

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Non-JW Friends...

by LDH in

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when you were active, or if you still are, did you all maintain non-jw friendships?.

i've always kept some close friends who weren't jws.

but reading a .

trevor

Hi Sabrina99,

Thanks for your comments on my posting. I am sorry to hear that you have have been disfellowshipped. It is easier if leaving was a choice one made, as in my case.

After leaving I still had a dream - to find the truth. The truth about our existence it's purpose its reality. It took me ten years of searching and then tired out and disappointed I stopped looking. It was then into that empty void that the truth came. All I had studied suddenly added up and I was truly free. Life it'self is not waiting for a future date to make it's move, it is working every day holding this universe together and rejoicing at the delight of being alive - now!

I guess a lot of people on this site are still looking, waiting for a prophecy to be fulfiled or someone with the answers to show up. They are upset that the organization they put their trust in let them down. The dream is still alive and better than anything the WT has the imagination to explain. We are all part of that dream, we just need to wake up.

I hope you find your dream.

Trevor

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Lord's Witnesses

by Scorpion in

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i am sure all here will be very interested in this new group.. http://www.bibledecoded.com/.

spend some time reviewing this site.

you will be amazed at what you read.

trevor

Hi Scorpion,

I was interested in your quote on the definition of safe sex. I have tried this line of reasoning with my wife but she won't buy it.

The jokes above are so good I am laughing to much to get the lid back on!

Trevor

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A Different Perspective

by RedhorseWoman in

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this tale was sent to me by someone on one of the e-mail lists i belong to.

i found it quite thought provoking.

perhaps you'll enjoy it, also.

trevor

Very good Redhorse woman,

I think this really confirms that many who read the Bible see what they have been conditioned to see and not what it is really saying. Truth has to add up an withstand examination or it is not truth. The bible portrays Jehovah as a Jealous, Vengful, bloodthirsty, powerhungry and devious tyrant.

The Bible writers have either lied about him, invented him in their own image, or if they have got it right, we can only hope that someone else is responsible for the existence of this universe.

trevor

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How Can One Understand Prophecy Today?

by MDS in

how can one understand prophecy today?

jehovah reveals how .

"for who has stood in the intimate group of jehovah that he might see and hear his word?

trevor

Hi Larc and Frenchy,

I have already gone on record to sat that I am blown away by the arrogance of MDS. He is really not worth talking to. Unless someone has an open mind they are unreceptive to truth or even the pursuit of it. I offer the following little quote as awarning to the many hundreds of people you referred to above. Its not the eyes of MDS I fear he has lost his paddle.

trevor

"Belief can never lead to reality. Belief is the result of conditioning, or the outcome of fear, of the result of an outer of inner authority, which gives comfort. Reality is none of these… the credulous are always willing to believe, accept obey, whether what is offered is good or bad, mischievous or beneficial. The believing mind is not an enquiring mind, so it remains within the limits of the formula or the principle."

Krishnamurti
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when the rain clears...

by Deacon in

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ive been reading thesr posts for a while, thinking on them, pondering as the wt has recommended over the years.. having grown up as a witness, and having been involved in both the boring and the more exciting parts of the ministry, i know what it is like to be part of a team, and more importantly , i know what its like to be a team player on gods side.

and then one day, things start to unravel, the marriage, the relationship with bethel, the relationship with members in the congregations, and then, on another later day, suddenly you find yourself on the outside.. so, as time passes, a person begins to miss the association, the meetings, the laughter of the ministry groups, even the smell of the kingdom halls.....and effort is made to restore self to favour....and in time that too....comes to pass.. but here i am, a few years later, once more isolated, but this time by my own choice, beset by doubts and concerns over something that i held and hold sacred.. my circumstances have changed.

i chose the path of marriage again, to a wonderful person that has filled my life with contentment without the pressures of having to be an elder or an example to others in the christian manner, for those that are or have been in positions of oversight, you will know what this means...and yes my wife is one raised as a witness, and having her own journey that she may or may not choose to share with you...in any case, i feel priveleged to know her just for the decent human she is.. so, here i am, watching, reading, thinking....and i admit to being a little lost.. firstly, 607, it may or may not be correct, frankly my dears.... the ever changing date of armaggeddon...well that would appear to be a previousness on the part of the leading lights...after a while it gets tedious and a little self defeating.... the meetings and requirements for field service...well as i see it, the bible indicates it is a requirement to meet together, and furthermore a requirement to tell others about jehovah....the application of the principles have become (almost law,) in order to belong to the organisation known as jehovahs witnesses...that is a minor problem, despite the best efforts from co's and do's from the platform, the unoffical stance is that if you aint cutting it.. you aint spiritual.. now,where im at in this stream of time, along with all the confusion about what is right and what is wrong, i have to just look for other confirmations that jehovahs time is at hand...if indeed it is near at all.. man is now developing life in vacuums, primitive cellular structures it may be, but the leaps of testing criteria has been enhanced by the use of computers to cut time.... man has the ability (proven) to destroy earth.. man is killing the earth.. now if i was the creator, and he once before destroyed civilisation when they built the tower of babel, i would be thinking that soon they would know stuff they shouldnt know, and in any case, the earthdewellers are so dumb they will destroy themselves..id better start big a... my concern is,, that in the bigger picture..does it really matter if we get it so wrong, so many times and so quickly?

trevor

Indeed the Idols I have loved so long
Have done my credit in this World much wrong:
Have drowned my Glory in a shallow Cup,
And sold my Reputation for a Song.

OMAR KHAYYAM
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Who am I? -- Isaiah 49:1-6 Answers...

by MDS in

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frenchy:.

...i asked questions which you cannot answer because regardless of how you answer them it will demonstrate your position and that is something that you cannot afford to reveal.. .

you are greatly mistaken.

trevor

The wiser a person becomes, the more aware he becomes of how little he knows; the more stupid a person is, the more certain about his knowledge. You can judge the stupidity by the certainty. The stupid are very fanatical because they have arrived at ultimate conclusions. And not only have they arrived for themselves, they have arrived for everybody! They want to impose their conclusions on every body, on the whole world.

Socrates in his last days, said 'I only know one thing, that I know nothing." And that was the day he became the greatest wise man the West has yet known.

OSHO
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Prophecy -- Can It Have More Than One Fulfillment?

by MDS in

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the following discussion is based upon a question raised by larc, under another thread posted earlier.

it was interpreted that i could not answer the question.

the question was then, followed up by circare to the effect that i should comment upon it for the benefit of others who may be listening.. i have decided to respond.. these are the actual quotes, asked of me.. ...one minor point.

trevor

The wiser a person becomes, the more aware he becomes of how little he knows; the more stupid a person is, the more certain about his knowledge. You can judge the stupidity by the certainty. The stupid are very fanatical because they have arrived at ultimate conclusions. And not only have they arrived for themselves, they have arrived for everybody! They want to impose their conclusions on every body, on the whole world.

Socrates in his last days, said 'I only know one thing, that I know nothing." And that was the day he became the greatest wise man the West has yet known.

OSHO
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Edited by - trevor on 3 February 2001 8:43:46

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Am I welcome here?

by WanderingStar in

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i am currently df'd but seriously considering returning to the meetings with a view to reinstatement.

i am looking for honest, open minded discussion.

if i offend you all by being here, please let me know and i wont come back again.. thanks for reading this!

trevor

Hello wandering star,

I am sorry to hear that you are in limbo at the moment. You ask if we mind you being here, will we be offended?

The reason many of us left is so that we could enjoy the freedom of talking with anyone we wanted openly and freely. We were tired of being denied the right to decide for ourselves what truth is. Some are here secretly to share others views without being caught. You too can do that but there is no substiute for that feeling of holding your head up high and telling anyone who askes what you really feel in real life - face to face.

It all boils down to honesty in the end. A life lived without freedom is no life at all.

trevor