Posts by gingerbread

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Feeling disloyal

by stirred but not shaken in

i've been visiting here for about a year or so, but didn't really feel compelled to participate other than reading the various posts that interested me.. there's been that uncomfortable feeling of being disloyal to god, the organization, many friends and relatives.. i've been associated since birth.

after 65 + years of service within this organization and actually enjoying that time, it troubled me to find myself wanting to express feelings that were contrary to all that time of "faithfulness".

those years were filled with progressive "privileges and responsibilities" even at a high level, and there was considerable success in our evangelizing activity.

gingerbread

Thank you for telling us a bit of your story. Courage!

The Gingerbread family mirrors yours. Watchtower lifers, 'good examples' and well known.

We see the process like being on a merry-go-round. After we stepped off we were 'dizzy' and sick to our 'stomachs'. We look back at our lifelong 'friends' and still feel a closeness; but it's just not the same.

After living a year in JW inactivity, I understand that everyone does indeed have free will. We can love and trust ourselves, enjoy each day for what it is and cherish each moment.

The real challenge is changing how we think.

Best - - ginger

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We are seeing JW history in the making

by suavojr in

with all the current changes and downsizing, the 1914 "anchor date" appears to be drifting out to sea.

yes, i know the gb is putting all of their chips on 1914 but if you stop and think about it for a moment.. we are seeing jw history in the making for the next jw generation of 2114.. first they teach a date as significant.second, when it becomes obsolete, they come up with a convoluted explanation of how it really was significant, just not in the way "some believers" once taught.third, it becomes a historical footnote, as in: "bible students at one time thought... but now we see... evidently... .

the next generation of jws (100 years from today) will be talking about 2014 as the year of great expectation, and how close the end is in 2114. yes, when jesus spoke about this generation evidently he was talking in a symbolic way, and he was truly referring to the generation class.. .

gingerbread

www.newsystemschool.org

Look it up.

ginger

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Millions Now Living Have Never Lived So Well

by Bob_NC in

that's right, millions now living are living during the best of times for humanity.

but aren't these critical times hard to deal with?

aren't these the last days of a dying wicked system of things.

gingerbread

This is one of the things that gets me going! SO many of the faithful complain, complain, complain about how hard life is during these 'last days'.

They complain that the convention hall is too hot or too cold, that the internet is evil, that all we hear about is bad news (because they're glued to CNN or Fox News 24/7), that their kids or grandkids aren't staying in the 'truth', that their aches and pains have become unbearable (they can't make the meetings or field service), they're broke or don't have any retirement (because the evil government has stolen their Social Security), they are so depressed that can't stop taking their Zoloft, Paxil, Cymbalta or Wellbutrin...

A real mess...

22

420/Marijuana/Mary Jane - What Is The Society's Stance Now That It's Legal In Two States?

by Sam Whiskey in

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sorry if it's already been discussed (i did do a search and did not see anything recent) here on the board.

now that 420 has been legalized in washington and colorado, what is the society's stance on this?

is it viewed the same as alcohol, taken in moderation?

gingerbread

The last time the WT connects smoking to spiritism was in the 1980's .

According to the upcoming July public Watchtower, the Bible condemns smoking because 1) it is addictive, 2) it damages the body, and 3) it harms others.

The Watchtower further defines 'smoking' as cigarettes, cigars, pipes, waterpipes (hookas), chewing tobacco, snuff and e-cigarettes.

It's only a matter of time when most States legalize mj - especially when they realize the billions of dollars in tax revenue.

Bring it on!

ginger

24

We are seeing JW history in the making

by suavojr in

with all the current changes and downsizing, the 1914 "anchor date" appears to be drifting out to sea.

yes, i know the gb is putting all of their chips on 1914 but if you stop and think about it for a moment.. we are seeing jw history in the making for the next jw generation of 2114.. first they teach a date as significant.second, when it becomes obsolete, they come up with a convoluted explanation of how it really was significant, just not in the way "some believers" once taught.third, it becomes a historical footnote, as in: "bible students at one time thought... but now we see... evidently... .

the next generation of jws (100 years from today) will be talking about 2014 as the year of great expectation, and how close the end is in 2114. yes, when jesus spoke about this generation evidently he was talking in a symbolic way, and he was truly referring to the generation class.. .

gingerbread

In the 1830's, William Miller and his group of Second Adventists put their faith on the return of Christ in 1844. It became known as the "great disappointment" but the faithful kept faithful. They later concluded that Christ's return was invisible (sound familiar? - C.T. Russell borrowed many of our beliefs from Adventism).

This group later became known as the Seventh-Day Adventists. The strictly conservative Aventists now - 180 years later - number over 18 million. Still keeping the faith. Still adjusting their daily lives to the tenets of this religion.

For the past 2000 years, apocalyptic millennialist sects have used disasters (human or natural) as proof of the coming end. This won't ever end as long as there are people willing to put their trust in those ideas.

ginger

33

A Text Message Exchange

by Emery in

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i have been in the fading process for over a year now.

nobody has really bothered my wife and me since we've stopped, which i am thankful for.

recently, i've had an old jw friend send me a few text messages relating to business.

gingerbread

A friend that you grew up with can be a great friend - understanding and supportive. The danger is that as JW's we are conditioned to reject 'false teachings' of apostates. If your friend suspects that you are doing this to him, he will drop you like a hot potato.

JW friendships are always 'conditional' - on the condition that you are an active Witness. Otherwise you are labeled as bad association.

Don't feel discouraged when your friend no longer communicates with you. It will happen at some point.

He is a victim of confirmation bias.

All the best - -

ginger

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The WT and GB compared to Catholics before the reformation.

by EndofMysteries in

i just read this article about luther and i'll quote a paragraph.

it's interesting how you can substitute a few words and see it identical to the wt.

now let me substitute pope and catholic church for governing body and watchtower...... .

gingerbread

And the members of the Catholic church have accepted these tenets for amost 2000 years. The schism of the Protestant Reformation only happened 500 years ago.

Will a 'reformation' of the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses ever happen? Will the religion cease to exist in the next 50 (or 100) years?

I doubt it.

Will members continue to accept 'persecution' for their beliefs? Will members continue to die because of the blood issue? Will members continue to descent, leave or be 'excommunicated'? Will members continue to allow the Organization to control their personal lives? Will members choose the Organization over there friends and family members?

I think so.

ginger

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JW Witnessing Trolleys. To approach or ignore what is your preference and why?

by KateWild in

i saw two brothers this morning next to the main train station in liverpool city centre this morning.

they were not actively approaching anyone.

what i found strange was that they were from a cong that has different territory, so i don't know why they were there.. anyway i knew them both, and they know i was df'd, i was in my car and couldn't park up for a chat, but i did beep and wave to them as i drove passed and they waved back.

gingerbread

Since becoming inactive I've realized that it is not my job to judge others - that is what we did as Jehovah's Witnesses. I've also learned how nice it is to be peaceable with and accepting of others. Aggression only confirms negative bias about JW's who have chosen to leave (or not return).

Respect is a quality that is not encouraged in the Organization. Obedience is.

Live and let live. To each his own.

ginger

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Putting on the NEW "New Personality"

by stuckinarut2 in

we have often heard about the need to "put on the 'new personality'" as a jw.... but i have realised something in these last few years of awakening to the ttatt...i dont like what i had become as a 'good' jw!.

i realised that being a 'good' jw made me very:.

critical of my fellow man,.

gingerbread

We have a new saying in our house - "If you're a Jehovah's Witness, you can't be a Christian".

When I was examining the religion I was raised in, a realization came over me - Jehovah's Witnesses ignore the basic tenets that the 1st century Christians followed : sincere love and compassion for others, having only TWO laws and accepting Christ as one's savior (not the Watchtower organization or the Governing Body).

Jehovah's Witnesses behave like the individuals that Jesus faulted - using the congregation as a money generator, building 'treasures' on earth, being hypocritical in professed beliefs/everyday actions, acting as judges of other humans, looking for faults in other humans, an outward display of piety, praying for the distruction of one's 'enemies', burdening the 'flock' with regulations and rules, adding to the scriptures, etc.

ginger

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New field service rules coming this summer

by doinmypart in

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new guidelines for field service coming this summer.

new publication to be released giving new ways of counting time, conducting studies, group activities, etc..

gingerbread

Before 1975, JW's who "full-time pioneered" really meant business. They devoted their lives (every waking hour) to the ministry (their full time job). They relied on family, friends and the congregations for financial support, cars, food, housing, etc. They were always short on cash and physically fit.

When they weren't knocking on doors they were writing letters, studing for studies, conducting studies, informal witnessing, studing for the meetings, reading all the literature, street witnessing, finding new studies, studing with young relatives, researching deeper bible topics, studing with young ones in the congregation, bringing people to the the point of baptism ( when was the last time you saw that happen ???).

With less than two dozen folks getting baptized at conventions - the norm - in an assembly hall filled with hundreds of "full-time pioneers", it's obvious that things have really changed.

Pioneering is now a part-time venture.

And a full-time badge of 'honor'.

ginger