Posts by gingerbread

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An increase in security at this summer's conventions??

by gingerbread in

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we've heard from friends in two separate congregations in our city that convention security will be tight.. the brothers made announcements this week and reminded everyone to be sure to wear their name badges.

those that don't may be questioned and have their belongings searched.

the same will be happen to anyone arriving during the sessions.

gingerbread

This may have been a reference to a nearby International Convention. Don't know as I'm getting this info second hand from one person who 'listened in' by phone and two other who were physically present during the service meeting. Two separate congs made this 'announcement'.

I'm meeting one for lunch today. Our conversation yesterday was short - he should provide a little more info.

ginger

I do think it is a scare tactic that will increase distrust of outsiders and inactive JW's. It does seem a contradiction to give out public invitations to people in the territory...

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An increase in security at this summer's conventions??

by gingerbread in

jw
friends

we've heard from friends in two separate congregations in our city that convention security will be tight.. the brothers made announcements this week and reminded everyone to be sure to wear their name badges.

those that don't may be questioned and have their belongings searched.

the same will be happen to anyone arriving during the sessions.

gingerbread

We've heard from friends in two separate congregations in our city that convention security will be tight.

The brothers made announcements this week and reminded everyone to be sure to wear their name badges. Those that don't may be questioned and have their belongings searched. The same will be happen to anyone arriving during the sessions. The comment was made in one hall that purses and lunch boxes may be opened.

Is anyone else in the US or Canada hearing this kind of chatter?

ginger

35

Live Forever on a Paradise Earth

by HeyThere in

sometimes this sounds good...but....forever?

forever in a jw idea of perfection?

does this mean no sports, or detective tv shows, or bad neighborhoods?

gingerbread

The belief of a restored paradise earth was adopted by C.T. Russell from the Adventists. This is NOT an original Jehovah's Witness doctrine.

We, as JW's, are taught that during the 1000 year reign of Christ (actually the annointed Governing Body) we will be burying those killed at Armageddon, cleaning up the entire earth and teaching the true religion to all that Jesus and his annointed 'brothers' resurrect.

During this time we will have to work our way into perfection - a task that will take 1000 years to acheive. If we fail in this task, we will be destroyed forever at the end of the 1000 year reign - and our friends and family will live on for all eternity, completely forgetting about us and enjoying life "as it was meant to be".

Sounds awesome.

ginger

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I am not joking.

by Iamallcool in

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there was a ms brother that sleeps all the time during all of the meetings for years.

he did give many service meeting parts.

his wife did not sit down with him, just one seat apart from each other so he can sleep better, that is my observation.

gingerbread

Is he in Virginia?

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Gotta love the internet!!

by ILoveTTATT in

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gotta love the internet... you can find out the watchtower deception in minutes.

this is an awesome example of cherrypicking:.

*** w79 2/15 p. 13 insight on the news ***.

gingerbread

This kind of discovery - becoming more available every day.

Online databases of scanned books, newspapers & magazines, census records, old Watchtower's and Awake's and other JW publications expose the manipulations of fact by the Society/Organization.

Awesome

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Another Gem from the Golden Pen of the Faithful Slave

by Slidin Fast in

look at this pile of steaming horse sh*t. this is meant to soften the horror of this god of war destroying 7,000,000,000 men, women and children in a holy jihad.

draw close book p 65 .

19 consider an illustration: suppose that a mans family was being attacked by a vicious animal and that the man jumped into the fray and killed the violent beast.

gingerbread

Here's a better version of this illustration that draws a parallel between this man and God :

The man destroys the vicious animal to protect his family then uses his 'army' to go and kill all the other animals in the jungle. The man uses his own distructive power to napalm the jungle. This further exposes any animals who have sympathy for the destroyed animal. His henchmen kill every last living being. Other humans who fight against the man and his 'army' are destroyed excecution style. The loving father takes their homes and all their possessions and gives it to his family and army.

They all worship this loving, protective man forever and enjoy everlasting happiness.

The end.

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"we must be ready to obey, even if it doesnt sound reasonable from a human standpoint"

by stuckinarut2 in

so its now all clear!.

the reason why that damned wt article several months back said the quote:.

"we may be asked to do something by jehovahs organization, and we should be ready to obey even if it doesnt seem reasonable from a human standpoint or not".

gingerbread

After re-reading that article, I think that statement was made directly to the elders.

1) You no longer control who is an elder or ministerial servant in your congregation.

2) You no longer control the congregation bank account.

I do fear that the next step will directly affect the publishers - as some of you suggest - i.e.tests of loyalty by stirring up 'persecution'.

ginger

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The Candace Condi Appeal

by Slidin Fast in

does anyone know what is going on with this?

i am on the court mailing list but there has been a deafening silence on the subject.

i know the wheels of the legal process grind slowly but has anyone got any insider info?.

gingerbread

Appeals can sometimes take a couple of years to be heard. Don't lose heart!

I truly believe that the Kingdom Hall and congregation bank account takeovers are related to this case ... and others around the world. These are court cases that the Org. is preparing to lose.

ginger

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Is the new donation arrangment communism?

by toto555 in

the "richer" congregations giving off their surplus to the "poorer" congregations around the world.

"from each according to their ability to each according to their need".

the maxim of karl marx.

gingerbread

It's a candy coated idealistic mirage of the distribution of wealth.

This appeals to many Witnesses because it conjures up a teary-eyed version of the "New System" - the 'spiritual paradise' in action!!

In reality, it is a calculated business and legal maneuver.

ginger

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"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

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so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

Also at last night's meeting - the elder that read the letter opened it up for any questions. The questions raised were about the actual contribution boxes - confusion about which boxes will remain and which were going away.

In conversation afterward some folks (who have brains that still think) expressed that they were just putting $'s into the local box - to cover expenses. One older brother said to me that he stopped putting money into the 'worldwide work' box a few years ago because it was probably being used for legal fees and victim hush money.

Now they realize that they have lost control of where their contributions will be applied.

One big SLUSH FUND ....

ginger