oh, and be careful about asking for a contribution in another person's stall...you might just get a steamin' pile of contribution
truthseeker1
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A NEW METHOD OF PREACHING!
by Mary ineveryone remember a few years ago with the gb decided that the rank and file witness just wasn't bugging the hell out of enough people because no one was ever home saturday morning?
they came up with the brainstorming idea to approach people in parking lots!!!
(ya, that goes over reeeeeeeal well)......as if going to the person's home to tell them about their imminent death wasn't bad enough, now ya gotta tell them when they're out shopping!
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A NEW METHOD OF PREACHING!
by Mary ineveryone remember a few years ago with the gb decided that the rank and file witness just wasn't bugging the hell out of enough people because no one was ever home saturday morning?
they came up with the brainstorming idea to approach people in parking lots!!!
(ya, that goes over reeeeeeeal well)......as if going to the person's home to tell them about their imminent death wasn't bad enough, now ya gotta tell them when they're out shopping!
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If you get beat up, its ok because we will be hated in this world for being no part of it.
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I just can't stay away
by truthseeker1 inhey guys, i know you are probably sick of me coming and going, but i just can't stay away.
every time i talk to jws about my problem, they tell me i need to study more and stay away from here.
but i just can't stay away...i'm interested in things said here, the openness things are discussed.
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Hey guys, I know you are probably sick of me coming and going, but I just can't stay away. Every time I talk to JWs about my problem, they tell me I need to study more and stay away from here. But I just can't stay away...I'm interested in things said here, the openness things are discussed.
Nothing has really changed with my situation. I didn't DA myself yet, because of what happend in the talk with the elders. I told them I didn't want to be a witness anymore because I didn't believe in the bible. I told them a lot of good things are written in the bible, but I just didn't believe any of the supernatural things, like angles, demons, ect. I even told him I didn't believe in God. He told me to read a scripture in Acts about people rightly disposed became believers. He said I was a really great person and I was rightly disposed, but I never gave the bible a chance. He wanted to study with me, go over all the problems I have and work with me to see if I can build up my faith. I said I'll give it a chance. Its kinda weird..I expected to be DF or something but nothing happend. My whole family and a few other families know how I really am and they still hang around me, still invite me to gatherings and such. I do realize that if I told them to F*CK OFF they wouldn't do that, and sometimes I feel like saying that to the Org, but for now I'll just study. Don't worry, I'll study both sides and ask ask ask questions. I had one study so far and we talked about my problem with bible chronology, how I didn't believe humankind is only ~6k yrs old. He didn't say anything that changed my view, but hey, I'm stubborn.
The situation with my wife is strange. We have been trying to have kids for 4 years now, but nothing has happend. Now she says she doesn't ever want to have kids with me because she doesn't trust me. She is afraid that some day, 10 or so years down the road when we do have kids, I'm going to go through this again and we might split up or something. She doesn't want kids to complicate things. I don't know how I feel about that. I know she doens't want to be married to a non-believer. She is still young, so if I decide not to be a witness, i'll probably, regretfull, painfully and with much hesitation leave. I wouldn't want to keep her in a marriage she doesn't want to be in, I care for her too much. I'm just keeping ya posted for those who care
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Hello, I'm back
by truthseeker1 into those who remember me, i'm back.
things have been kinda crazy around here.
the last time i was here i said i was going to really try to look into being a witness.
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Well, I meet with the Elders after the meeting tomorrow. I'll be DA myself from the witnesses. Any words of wisdom to tell them. I'm leaving because I don't believe in the bible right now. I'm going to tell them that. I'm going to the meeting to tell friends and family goodbye. Its pretty hard to deal with, there are a lot of people I like there. Its going to be weird, because I run into witnesses everywhere I go. I still have my family, and old friends I can return to. But I guess lots of people go through this, some are probably far worse off than I.
Before my wife talked to her elder dad, she wanted me to sleep with someone else to end our marriage so she can have the life she wanted and deserved. He told her she can't say that because its condoning fornication, so now she takes it back. She says she can't say that stuff, but that I know how she feels. Its kinda funny, I know she wants me to leave, but she can't say it otherwise she is also guilty of splitting up a marriage.
This really sucks! I can't believe that this is breaking up our marriage. If I stay with her she will resent me every day of our marriage. I love her so much I was living a lie to be with her for 4 years. Its wierd, I love her so much now I am willing to give her the life she wants, by leaving. She doesn't want me anymore, but she is stuck with me. So I guess I know what to do...
Sucks even more because we just bought a house in January. Now we have to sell it. Well, enough complaining. Sorry, just feels better when I do. I'll keep in touch. Oh btw, I did find a new job, working for the County. Its a great job and probably the only thing enjoyable in my life right now.
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Hello, I'm back
by truthseeker1 into those who remember me, i'm back.
things have been kinda crazy around here.
the last time i was here i said i was going to really try to look into being a witness.
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To those who remember me, I'm back. Things have been kinda crazy around here. The last time I was here I said I was going to really try to look into being a witness. I tried, and I can't convince myself its the truth. My wife has noticed that it really isnt in me. I guess all my comments have a slight sarcastic ring to it. Well, I've been lurking for a while, checking up on things here and stuff. I wanted to post during the dateline stuff, but just wasn't up to it. Well, I just wanted to say hi, so HI!
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It hit the fan
by truthseeker1 inwell, to bring you guys up to speed, here is what happend this weekend.
i told my wife how i was feeling and why i didn't believe the wt was not god's org.
it went pretty bad.
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Some of us here believe in the bible and some don't. To those who do believe in the bible, It is generally known there is a god in the bible. He had a son and sent him to the earth for a few reasons. Some of these reasons are to start a new convenant, to sacrifice his life for our sins and to teach. I happen to believe these things. Beyone what the bible says, I cannot be positive. It is only speculation. When I do meet with the elders I will say I am unsure about witness only 'doctrine' like UN, 1914, ext. If they kick me out for not believing in their specific doctrines not backed specifally mentioned in the bible then i'll be back here with you guys. If not, then I'll stay a JW. I will ask questions. I will not question the bible(i'll bring a few different translations to the meeting just to be safe). This is how I will stand. This has been a good experience for me either way it goes. I wasn't firmly rooted in anything, 'being tossed about as the sea' or however that goes. This will help me build myself up to whatever I choose is the correct way.
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It hit the fan
by truthseeker1 inwell, to bring you guys up to speed, here is what happend this weekend.
i told my wife how i was feeling and why i didn't believe the wt was not god's org.
it went pretty bad.
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Farkel:
If Jehovah was personally directing the organization, those problems would never have occurred or they would have gone away shortly after they surfaced.
I thought this too, then I thought about this. Jehovah works on his own timetable. Time has little meaning to Jehovah. In his and Jesus' dealings with people before, they have gradually given the truth out. To me its like a stream of knowledge coming from Jehovah. We arn't going to get it all at the same time, but through time more and more is going to be accurage. There are inaccuracies, but the Org DOES change their beliefs when they see that they are wrong. Other religions don't do this. Sure they were wrong about 1914, and perhaps about other things now. If I just wait on things to surface and trust in Jehovah, I'm sure these matters will be solved. Try not to criticize them too much for changing their beliefs. All Ex-JW changed their beliefs when they thought what they were believing was wrong, why cant the Org do that too? One last point is that in bible history, people directed by Jehovah have made mistakes. Moses, David, and others all were being led by Jehovah when they messed up. It wasn't God or his orginization at that time that was wrong, just these individuals. Just my 2 cents.
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It hit the fan
by truthseeker1 inwell, to bring you guys up to speed, here is what happend this weekend.
i told my wife how i was feeling and why i didn't believe the wt was not god's org.
it went pretty bad.
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Would a sane person do this:
I think not...LOL
Those are encouraging comments, thanks. Whatever I decide I will decide it FOR myself. Whatever I end up believing in the end, I will follow through. -
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It hit the fan
by truthseeker1 inwell, to bring you guys up to speed, here is what happend this weekend.
i told my wife how i was feeling and why i didn't believe the wt was not god's org.
it went pretty bad.
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Well, to bring you guys up to speed, here is what happend this weekend.
I told my wife how I was feeling and why I didn't believe the WT was not god's Org. It went pretty bad. She took off to her sisters house and told them what was going on. My brother in law came over (also a witness) to talk with me. I thought he was going to say I was crazy, satanic, apostate and such(my wife was). He actually came over to let me talk and explain why I felt the way I did. I told him about the UN library card, Dateline, 1914/russle/pyramid stuff, all the little things I didn't like about the Org, changing of doctrine, and how confused I am. He said he heard that all before(UN was new tho). He then asked me is there any other religion or belief that is more accurate. I have studied most of them and I feel that the Witnesses have more truth than others. I know you all think I am crazy/brainwashed. When I actually voiced my discrepencies, they seem like little petty reasons why not to be a witness. The next day my father in law came over (PO) by himself. He wanted to know why I was feeling this way. I again tried to explain again all the problems I saw with the Org. When I mentioned the child abuse stuff, he pulled out a letter written from the society explaining the procedure Elders are supposed to take when a child molester is found out in the Cong. It said that if a servent, his position is removed. Civil authorties ARE notified. Even if one person comes forward, this happens. When someone who has molested people in the past comes into the cong. they are told that their history is known and they are not to be seen interacting with children, not even hugging or letting them sit on their lap. Most of my other concerns seemed pretty small when I actually voiced them. He didn't say all you are saying are lies, just that it isn't upbuilding. I don't hear too much about what is right, just what people think is wrong. I'm not too sure what I am going to do, although I am getting together with my father in law to discuss the issues I am having trouble with. I might be back or might not..... -
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Who Else Preaches???
by Mister Biggs innot that i am advocating one church over another.
rather, i'm just trying to make the point that other religions (such as the two cited below) have an organized preaching work.
jehovah's witnesses use the reasonings of, "who else carries out the commission to preach?
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Arn't you guys afraid of going into other churches?
I always heard that the religous leaders eat children, murder babies and all that.