Posts by Rattigan350

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For JW's - Is there ever a legitimate reason to criticize?

by Sea Breeze in

i had a jw quote this scripture to me recently: “study to show yourself approved” - great scripture.

but when we point out that former wt leaders didn’t study and were high school drop outs (ct russell only made it to the 7th grade) franz was a college drop out with only 2 hrs.

in koine greek, we always get the same answer - the apostles weren’t educated men either.

Rattigan350

What does the schooling of Russell and Franz have to do with anything? The scripture "Study to show yourself approved" is about studying the Bible.

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

Rattigan350

What does Charles Russell have to do with Jehovah's Witnesses?

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How Much Damage Would You Assess?

by Sea Breeze in

just as there is no such thing as a christian who worships satan, there is no such thing as a christian outside of the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins”.

and he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it, for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

- mt.

Rattigan350

Sea Breeze, you don't know what you are talking about. Why is it that people don't understand the context of mediator?

Is it because people mistakenly think that Paul was the authority on everything?

Paul wrote in specific contexts to specific audiences about specific matters.

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Why Was WT OK with Blood Transfusions for over 65 Years Before Banning?

by Sea Breeze in

blood transfusion history.

1665 the first recorded successful blood transfusion occurs in england: physician richard lower keeps dogs alive by transfusion of blood from other dogs.. 1818 james blundell performs the first successful blood transfusion of human blood to treat postpartum hemorrhage.. 1840 the first whole blood transfusion to treat hemophilia is successfully completed.. 1900 karl landsteiner discovers the first three human blood groups, a, b and o.. 1902 landsteiner’s colleagues, alfred decastello and adriano sturli, add a fourth blood type, ab.. 1907 blood typing and cross matching between donors and patients is attempted to improve the safety of transfusions.

the universality of the o blood group is identified.. 1914 adolf hustin discovers that sodium citrate can anticoagulate blood for transfusion, allowing it to be stored and later transfused safely to patients on the battlefield.. 1932 the first blood bank is established at leningrad hospital.. 1939-1940 the rh blood group is discovered and recognized as the cause behind most transfusion reactions.. 1940 the us government establishes a nationwide blood collection program.. so from the beginning of the watchtower being printed in 1879, they were ok with blood transfusions until 1945. what caused this?

Rattigan350

The thing about blood transfusions is; If it is against God's law, so what?

Has the ground opened up and swallowed anyone who took blood? Has anyone been struck by lightning or gotten leprosy for taking blood? I don't think so.

People receive blood and they live their life and then die normally, and the belief is that they won't get a resurrection. No big deal.

Refusing blood and the person dies and they have a hope for the resurrection; but it hasn't happened yet. So put one's in today, not the unknown future.

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Sex Abuse & Jehovah’s Witnesses: Survivors Share Stories in The Witnesses, a New Oxygen Series

by Tahoe in

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/news/sex-abuse-jehovah-witnesses-survivors-192755261.html.

Rattigan350

Calling them 'survivors' is stupid. Everyone who is alive is a survivor. People survive tornadoes, hurricanes, shipwrecks, cancer; because they didn't die. It just means that they experienced it and are still alive, because if they didn't survive, they would be dead. Sex abuse does not typically result in death. A better term would be ones who experienced it.

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Why Was WT OK with Blood Transfusions for over 65 Years Before Banning?

by Sea Breeze in

blood transfusion history.

1665 the first recorded successful blood transfusion occurs in england: physician richard lower keeps dogs alive by transfusion of blood from other dogs.. 1818 james blundell performs the first successful blood transfusion of human blood to treat postpartum hemorrhage.. 1840 the first whole blood transfusion to treat hemophilia is successfully completed.. 1900 karl landsteiner discovers the first three human blood groups, a, b and o.. 1902 landsteiner’s colleagues, alfred decastello and adriano sturli, add a fourth blood type, ab.. 1907 blood typing and cross matching between donors and patients is attempted to improve the safety of transfusions.

the universality of the o blood group is identified.. 1914 adolf hustin discovers that sodium citrate can anticoagulate blood for transfusion, allowing it to be stored and later transfused safely to patients on the battlefield.. 1932 the first blood bank is established at leningrad hospital.. 1939-1940 the rh blood group is discovered and recognized as the cause behind most transfusion reactions.. 1940 the us government establishes a nationwide blood collection program.. so from the beginning of the watchtower being printed in 1879, they were ok with blood transfusions until 1945. what caused this?

Rattigan350

It's because they are pharisees in that they want to find Laws that they can attribute to God and apply to themselves as being better than everyone else because they obey these laws.

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Know it’s not true but stay anyway

by Elena in

how many of the millions of jws know it’s not true but stay anyway?.

my guess is most jws know it’s not true on a subconscious level to an extent but they don’t want to think about it too much and would never ever voice it out loud.. but this is probably true with all religions around the world?.

Rattigan350

What is not true?

You are not referring to the doctrines because they are true.

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John 1:1 in Coptic Translation

by slimboyfat in

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apparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.

i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.

here is what i gather: .

Rattigan350

I asked a person why he believes Jesus is God and he said John 1:1 says Jesus was God.

Oh. That was written 65 years after Jesus died. If the reason people believe that Jesus was God is that, what did they believe during those prior 65 years?

Nowhere in Acts is there any trinity or that Jesus was God taught. The opposite. Stephen said that Jesus was at the right hand of God. Two people with a distinct rank and separation.

Why do people care what John 1:1 says?

John was just a man. He was simply writing a history of Jesus' life and John 1 was a prologue. He starts with the baptism and then the wedding and water to wine. John was showing that this guy was not just someone doing magic tricks, but he had a divine origin. That's all. It is not about a definite article or not. It was all about that he existed in heaven as a spirit before he became human. Apparently John's audience didn't understand that.

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First video from the convention is all about FEAR

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/cdzydtuoblw?si=tyr8hgdgaiyn7c4h.

this was leaked only few days ago and it's a small segment of the video from the 2024 convention that has already started.

the video shows a jw logo down while worried jws are watching it as a news item on their tv screens, others are seen hiding from the police, others driving is the countryside to escape the authorities.

Rattigan350

Why do they keep talking about the government persecution?

We have the 1st amendment to the federal constitution protecting our freedom of religion and each state has that freedom in its own constitution.

And even if those were to fail to protect that freedom, we have the 2nd amendment of the US Federal constitution to bring back those freedoms.

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Romans 10: 9 Simple Salvation - Not So Fast Says WT.

by Sea Breeze in

"if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

- romans 10: 9. i find it interesting that this simple requirement for salvation has been a specific target of wt since their beginning.. first, jw's call jehovah lord, not jesus.

the fact that scripture calls jesus the king of kings and lord of lords doesn't seem to matter to them.

Rattigan350

It is simple. The structure was that Israel was God's people. Then they became unfaithful and in Jer 31 a new covenant was given to where the structure would still be Israel but not of the flesh, but of the spirit.

We can't rely upon what Jesus said and not on what Paul said. Neither of them knew that the structure would be limited to 144,000. That was not revealed until Revelation.

Starting at Pentecost, the Israelites were anointed with holy spirit and adopted into the covenant, then in Acts 8 the Samaritans, then in Acts 10 the Gentiles. Then people in general whom God chose were anointed with holy spirit until the 144,000 were filled. This was filled around the mid 1990s.