Posts by Rattigan350

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When JW.org drops 607BCE...

by Nathan Natas in

probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

Rattigan350

"1919 governing body was chosen by Jesus, if this all falls apart then the GB lose all credibility"

Not true at all.

Sam Herd was born in 1934 and he is the oldest of the governing body so the governing body could not have been chosen in 1919.

In case you didn't know the GB of today is not the same as the one in the 80s and 70s. Prior it was the board of directors of the WTBTS.

Jesus didn't choose a Governing body or a board of directors. He observed people back in the early 1800s that were searching for truth in the scriptures. They searched chronology. Brown, Clinton, Bowen, Elliott, Barbour and Russell, Jesus saw them going in the right direction and observed and aided them. The GB doesn't need credibility because of 1919. 1919 was from that convention that they had then not because of chronology.

You all do know that the start of the gentile times is not based on the destruction of Jerusalem, as that was in 587. It was 20 years prior, in around 607. We don't know the exact event or dated that triggered the banding of the tree, stating that Russell was offbase for saying Oct 1, 1914 was the end,, but it is around that time.

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WT CONVENTION RELEASE LIFE OF JESUS

by blondie in

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https://wawa-news.com/index.php/2024/06/14/episode-1-of-jesus-christ-series-set-for-release-at-gfl-memorial-gardens-june-14-16th/ .

episode 1 of jesus christ series set for release at gfl memorial gardens june 14 – 16th.

in new south wales, australia, there exist replicas of regions once visited by the most notable prophet who ever lived.

Rattigan350

The whole convention is focused on Jesus birth and childhood. Episode 1 is pretty good. The actors and sets and narration is pretty good. And it is good that they are talking about Jesus, so don't knock it.

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Rattigan350

"do you still imagine a conspiracy by evil agents of the Devil"

Must be. How else do people get the scriptures wrong. Make up scriptures and miss the meaning and purpose of Jesus? They elevate him to the status of equal to God when that's not his place.

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Rattigan350

The trinity is a man-made doctrine to take focus and worship away from Jehovah and put it on others that they won't object to.

People say they look to Jesus as being God because of John 1:1. That was written 65 years after Jesus died. What did they believe prior to that? Nothing was said in Acts about trinity or Jesus being God. Infact the opposite. Stephen saw Jesus at God's right hand, not a 3 person God.

The support texts are taken out of context: I and the father are one. Come on, that is contra trinity but they use it.

They rely on Jesus' enemies to get definitions of Jesus such as Thomas statement and the Pharisees.

They say John 8:58 is connected to Ex 3:14. Some pastor made that connection sometime in the past, but why didn't the apostles make that connection?

The trinity has spurious texts added such as 1 Tim 3:16, 1 john 5;7; Matt 28:19.

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How do you find reddit

by joe134cd in

just curious but how do the people off this forum find reddit.

for myself i find reddit to be sadly lacking in the jw world.

i just don't find the depth there e.g one sentence replies, trying to be funny.

Rattigan350

" Why do so many people take issue with John Cedars?"

I didn't like him because he had a beard which labels him as lazy, but now Convention speakers have beards so that takes that reason away.

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How do you find reddit

by joe134cd in

just curious but how do the people off this forum find reddit.

for myself i find reddit to be sadly lacking in the jw world.

i just don't find the depth there e.g one sentence replies, trying to be funny.

Rattigan350

I find reddit by going to reddit.com

"I just don't find the depth there e.g one sentence replies, trying to be funny. I find the language and rudeness there to be over whelming"

I agree with you there. I haven't gone to reddit in a long time. It's just a crowd where the masses get together and jump on the bandwagon.

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John 1:1 in Coptic Translation

by slimboyfat in

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apparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.

i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.

here is what i gather: .

Rattigan350

"The critical point remains: John 1:1 refers to "the Word was God" (theos), denoting Jesus' divine nature, not as a lesser or different deity."

John was stating that the Word, Jesus was a spirit being alongside God. He was not saying that the Word was Jehovah God. He was denoting Jesus' divine history and that he was a lesser spirit being different from God.

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For JW's - Is there ever a legitimate reason to criticize?

by Sea Breeze in

i had a jw quote this scripture to me recently: “study to show yourself approved” - great scripture.

but when we point out that former wt leaders didn’t study and were high school drop outs (ct russell only made it to the 7th grade) franz was a college drop out with only 2 hrs.

in koine greek, we always get the same answer - the apostles weren’t educated men either.

Rattigan350

What does the schooling of Russell and Franz have to do with anything? The scripture "Study to show yourself approved" is about studying the Bible.

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

Rattigan350

What does Charles Russell have to do with Jehovah's Witnesses?

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How Much Damage Would You Assess?

by Sea Breeze in

just as there is no such thing as a christian who worships satan, there is no such thing as a christian outside of the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins”.

and he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it, for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

- mt.

Rattigan350

Sea Breeze, you don't know what you are talking about. Why is it that people don't understand the context of mediator?

Is it because people mistakenly think that Paul was the authority on everything?

Paul wrote in specific contexts to specific audiences about specific matters.