Posts by Rattigan350

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Rattigan350

Why is Jesus being Michael the archangel even a subject that comes up?

It's one of those givens.

Gen 3:15 says the seed will crush the serpent which is the devil. The seed is Jesus.

Jesus said in John 14:2 "for I am going my way to prepare a place for you"

His going to prepare a place was his casting out Satan and his demons.

Jesus did the things stated in Rev 12:7-9 Battled with the dragon/devil and cast him out.

Four names are used for the devil in there, dragon, original serpent, devil and Satan.

Did it need to explain that this Michael was Jesus?

If Michael is not Jesus, why is someone else doing what Jesus said he would do, (prepare a place for his apostles) and battle and crush the devil?

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"A Jehovah's Witness"

by NotFormer in

a very certain distinctive of jws is how they refer to themselves.

"one of jehovah's witnesses".

it's one of those coded jargon thingies.

Rattigan350

Jeffro said:

Everyone says 'One of Jehovah's Witnesses' because it sounds right.

"This suggests you live in a JW bubble."

No, it does not. It suggests that I like what sounds right. I am not 'a' anything. Israel was a people, Christians are a people. not 'a' anything.

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"A Jehovah's Witness"

by NotFormer in

a very certain distinctive of jws is how they refer to themselves.

"one of jehovah's witnesses".

it's one of those coded jargon thingies.

Rattigan350

"By what authority does anyone have to change the Christ ordained role of believers from witnesses of Jesus to Jehovah Witnesses?"

The term 'witnesses' or 'witness' is different in the contexts.

When Jesus said in Acts 1:8 "you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a and to the most distant part of the earth" He was referring to the teaching of him and the spreading of the news, because it was new. Now Jesus isn't new so there is no good news or gospel.

However the use of the term Jehovah's Witnesses was from Isaiah 43:10 " “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,"

(though it is odd that the reference is to Acts 1:8)

vs 12 "“I am the One who declared and saved and made knownWhen there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God."

That has to do with who God is and his worshippers and how they live. Not preaching or spreading news.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Rattigan350

Why is this question even asked???

An angel is a messenger. Both the Hebrew and Greek words that are translated as angel means "messenger, representative".

Isn't Jesus the primary messenger or representative of Jehovah?

Isn't that why he said The Father and I are one because he represents his Father Jehovah?

It's that simple. Angels are messengers.

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

Rattigan350

Here's the thing. Back in the early 70s there was a book called Listening to the Great Teacher. But Jesus was not a great teacher.

John chapter 8 was he going around in circles with the Jews and he got no where.

He said things like The Father and I are one. If you've seen me you've seen the Father. Both of those caused people to think that Jesus is the Father.

All of his talk of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

He didn't define salvation or his identity or what the kingdom is.

He said people need to eat of his flesh and drink his blood. Then at the Last Supper he said this is my body.

It's like he didn't think about how people would take things.

And his statement about This Generation. It's crazy that people focus on what he said.

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Does this pretty much sum it all up?

by Tahoe in

jehovah witnesses are hypocrites and false prophets who are conning themselves.

jehovah’s witnesses, a christian denomination/cult known for their distinct beliefs and practices, have long faced scrutiny and criticism.

while they present themselves as a cohesive and morally stringent group, numerous inconsistencies and instances of hypocrisy have been noted both by outsiders and former members.

Rattigan350

Those points listed are ridiculous, particularly the ones about Charles Russell.

Russell is dead and his teachings went with him.

And with everything else, if you don't like it, don't do it.

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WT needs your kids uneducated: CO training video is Master Class in F.O.G. This is jaw-droppingly stupid. Beyond moronic, it's sub-moronic.

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

co training video: link to ex-jw reddit thread discussion.

today is the first time i was made aware of this actual elder body video.

it's training for how a co should handle elder's whose children decide to pursue further education.

Rattigan350

If one goes to university or into the hospital and what one does for work is no one's business. People need to not tell others in the congregation.

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

Rattigan350

"Like the ORG just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no Armageddon, nothing. "

All of that is not a JW only thing. There are other religions that teach that.

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Thanking Jehovah God for Sports

by Sea Breeze in

serena william's thanks jehovah god for allowing her to participate in sports.

how nice.

my jw parents followed the rules and thought they were doing jehovahs will by denying me participation in sports.

Rattigan350

Why is it that when a person, past or present, says something or does something, that we have to look at it as an example of anything?

So Serena Williams said and done something? Why do we care?

I'm sick of this whole using people as examples thing.

And why does it matter if playing professional sports is frowned upon by the WTS?

They are not our boss. And if that is our profession and we are making money, more power to us.

Show everyone that we can be good people while being pros.

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"A Jehovah's Witness"

by NotFormer in

a very certain distinctive of jws is how they refer to themselves.

"one of jehovah's witnesses".

it's one of those coded jargon thingies.

Rattigan350

Yes, in the first century they were to be witnesses of Jesus and preach him.

But we are not in the first century anymore are we?

People need to stop using the jargon of the Bible and then apply it to today.

You see, back then they need to preach Jesus because no one knew him.

Now everyone knows Jesus, so it is not necessary.

But Christians are more than Jesus. They are worshippers of his Father just like Jesus was and that is why Christians are Jehovah's Witnesses and not Jesus' Witnesses.

Why stop at the 2nd highest person when you can worship the highest!