couting time and, how to count time while doing as little service as possible is often a hot topic around witnesses.
i even overheard pioneers discussing about it.
they call it "creative time counting" (i translated that phrase from a different language so bear with me ;-).
This all goes back to the days when there was a pioneer discount on the books and meal tickets. Pioneers had to count that time and do it properly to make sure that they earned that discount.
There has been no pioneer discount since 1989 but people still think they need to earn it.
you know how our minds often get all "fuzzy" and confused when we are put on the spot and asked to come up with points?
we often tend to lose focus and go off on tangents?.
im trying to compile a basic list of bullet points for the most obvious and clear problems / doctrines / history of witnesses that can blow the org out of the water.. it is more for the purpose of getting my own thoughts clear rather than using it to talk to witnesses (as that doesn't really work).
Those things listed are not things wrong with jws. They are things that past leaders did. The past is the past.
Stick with current things such as mental manipulation and ruling by fear in order to get people to become dependant and addicted to ultimately get the money.
the best argument that we have an immaterial part (called spirit/soul) came from jesus christ.
however, it is recorded in the gospel of thomas (not in the traditional four gospels).
jesus says: if the flesh came into existence because of the spirit, it is a marvel.
Is that the best that can be done? A quote from a non-canon book?
couting time and, how to count time while doing as little service as possible is often a hot topic around witnesses.
i even overheard pioneers discussing about it.
they call it "creative time counting" (i translated that phrase from a different language so bear with me ;-).
does anyone have any news about charles sinutko, who give the infamous "stay alive till '75" talk?
forty years have passed since then, so is he still alive and still with the watchtower?
anyone heard anything?.
i would have to say that ray franz was the biggest influence for me.. when i first got on this board, a poster by the name of james, a former bethelite and organization heavy, helped me understand a lot of the inner workings in the upper echelons of the society.. .
and of course, farkel's common sense approach was (usually) helpful..
i know there are some here that are going through some tough times.
some of you do not believe in god.
some are not sure.. i was told recently by a friend to pray to god for help and he would comfort me.. my first impulse is to pray.
hey all,.
i was just thinking back to the first time i found this awesome forum...years before i eveni joined up and starting posting myself.. i was so encouraged and happy to see that i was not alone!
i was not the only one who was observing the org, and all of its aspects and thinking "seriously?
My first thoughts were: You all are a bunch of stinkin apostates who don't know anything. I thought the organization was good.
Now looking back since I've come to see how the organization is, I was the one who didn't know anything. Wish I had left sooner. I see so many said that they left in 1995 (1995 is the new 1975) over the generation change. I wish I did. I wish the internet was as developed back then
talking to a cherished "in" friend, i mentioned:.
"how can you go door to door and represent these outlandish doctrines that make you different from the householders, .
overlapping generations, abstaining from the eucharist, submission to leaders even in the face of unreasonable demands, failed, false prophecies?
"abstaining from the Eucharist,"
What the H is a Eucharist?
I would abstain because I don't know what it is.
jehovah's witnesses claim no one is disfellowshipped for pursuing higher education.
somehow it seems there must be some halfwit sorry excuse for an elder somewhere who personally felt threatened by over educated young whippersnappers and decided to mark every nerd he could point his sweaty little finger with.
The question is: How do they know you are going to university? Since they are advocating trade schools. Why aren't others in the congregation told that you are going to an "approved trade school"?
But then the question becomes: Why are you trying to please people whom you can't be honest with and are not interested in your future?
