Posts by Rattigan350

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Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?
by smiddy3 in
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2. beliefs
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
Rattigan350

"How can we prove the Messianic kingdom was set up in heaven in 1914?"
Jesus gave a sign in Matt 24 & 25.
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Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?
by smiddy3 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
Rattigan350

No, 1914 is not the cornerstone of Jw belief.
The cornerstone of Jw belief is Jesus Christ.
Jesus said that at the time of the harvest the weeds would separate from the wheat. That's what makes 1914 relevant to the religion. The Faithful slave existed since Pentecost, not 1919.
But other than that JWs are just Christians who look to the Bible.
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What distinguishes the 144,000 from the Great Crowd?
by Vanderhoven7 in
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2. beliefs
both the 144,000 and the "great crowd") consist of members who are:.

144,000 great crowd.

a. from every kindred and nation.
Rattigan350

There is no "the great crowd".
John sees in a vision 144,000 then he sees a large number of people that he could have described many different ways but he uses the Greek words that have been rendered 'great crowd'.
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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. bible
in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..
Rattigan350

Sea breeze. You list the early church teachers along with the apostles. I don't hold credibility to the apostles. That's one problem that the WTS has always done. They base doctrine and rules on what the apostles said. If the apostles were the Governing Body, why do we have letters from Peter, Paul, James, John and Jude, rather than writings from the 'Governing Body' composed of the apostles?
Rather than use any of the apostolic scriptures, I choose something that has no writing. The temple.
The Temple was given by Jehovah as a model, a shadow, a lesson, in earthly terms of what is in the heaven.
A priest offers a sacrifice to Jehovah God. All of that forshadowed Jesus being the priest and the sacrificed that was offered to Jehovah God. Thus Jesus can not be Jehovah God if he is the priest and the sacrifice.
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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. bible
in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..
Rattigan350

"Even many Jews prior to the birth of Jesus were expecting "God manifest in the flesh""
They were expecting a messiah. The messiah would not be an ordinary human.
God was/is spirit. Jesus was spirit, became human, then returned to be a spirit.
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Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?
by smiddy3 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
Rattigan350

The belief will always be there as it is Biblical. (The calculations will be argued, but the concept is totally biblical) But there is nothing to do or act on concerning it. They can't make rules about it and the GB like to make rules. If they can't make rules, what's the point of writing something?
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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. bible
in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..
Rattigan350

Sea Breeze, who quoted those verses?
My conclusion was that Jesus never said "baptize in the name of the father, son and holy spirit" because if he is the great teacher, why would he say something, or instruct something without explanation?
He never explained what that means. (Kind of like 'this generation' & Faithful and discreet slave)
People like to grab verses or make them up to support their positions.
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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. bible
in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..
Rattigan350

Relying on Matt 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 to support the trinity is like relying on Roe v Wade to support constitutional protection of abortion.
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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. bible
in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..
Rattigan350

F. C. Conybeare says that Matt 28:19 is not real.

This bishop writes that Matt 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are spurious.
http://bishopjerrylhayes.blogspot.com/2015/08/matthew-2819-and-1-john-57-spurious.html
Also here
https://www.apostolic.edu/the-truth-about-matthew-2819/
Why are all of the trinitarian support scriptures controversial? Why aren't there trinity support scriptures that are not controversial?
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Does the Governing Body already know that Jehovah (the name) came from Babylon the Great?
by Chevelle in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i'll start by stating the obvious... according to the watchtower, the catholic church is a huge part of babylon the great which is led by satan and his demons.

raymundus martini, a catholic monk (who "represents" babylon the great to some extent), woke up one day in the 13th century and decided to alter yhwh so it can be easily pronounced.

hence the spanish-ish version of yhwh was created... jehova... (sounds something like this in spanish: heh-o-va).
Rattigan350

How does that even matter?
Think of that question first and then answer that before posting such a question.