There is no ban on oral sex. One time they stated that it is unnatural under Paul's writings but remember Paul is not our boss. Why should we care what he said?

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So a JW can date an unbelieving person...

by silentbuddha in

but the entire congregation is not to be informed or mark the person.

the only repercussions are that the individual who is aware of it can decide to "mark" them and not go to the local club or bar with the individual, but they are still obligated to go door to door in the ministry with them, and even speak to them at the kn as if nothing is wrong and not feel obligated to tell anyone else?

this is crazy.. so they are also basically saying that a person can carry on a romantic (but none sexual) relationship with an unbeliever and still go out in service and participate in meetings?

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And on this subject.

People should marry whoever makes them happy, not because of a religious affiliation.

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So a JW can date an unbelieving person...

by silentbuddha in

but the entire congregation is not to be informed or mark the person.

the only repercussions are that the individual who is aware of it can decide to "mark" them and not go to the local club or bar with the individual, but they are still obligated to go door to door in the ministry with them, and even speak to them at the kn as if nothing is wrong and not feel obligated to tell anyone else?

this is crazy.. so they are also basically saying that a person can carry on a romantic (but none sexual) relationship with an unbeliever and still go out in service and participate in meetings?

Rattigan350

"Christians who want to marry are commanded to choose only a fellow believer. (1 Corinthians 7:39)"

A letter to a congregation from 2000 years ago does not give us any basis for commands as Paul is not our master.
People need to learn that.

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Do we have "original" indipendent documents proving that Rutherford was an alcoholic?

by psyco in

i was wondering if you could prove with "original" independent documents that rutherford was an alcoholic.... .

i read penton, but since he is a former jw he could not be considered an independent source.... .

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Why do you care?

Who is Rutherford to you?

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There is no 1900 year old faithful and discreet slave

by Longlivetherenegades in

now that the long-expected kingdom had become an established reality in heaven, surely its growing interests in the earth after 1919 would not be left in the hands of a novice organization of spiritual babes.

and that proved to be true.

it was the 1900-year-old “faithful and discreet slave,” the old christian congregation, that was entrusted with this precious kingdom service.

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why does it matter whether there is or not?

I think about what Tyrion said in Season 2 when he slapped Joffrey.

"I slapped a king and my hand didn't fall off".

So what if we don't obey them. We live and we die just like the past 6000 years. There is no punishment for that.

We won't get resurrected? Since the dead are unconscious, they won't be looking to a resurrection anyway.

So stop worrying about this Faithful slave.

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Blondie's "highlights" from the May 2024 Study WT Paragraphs 1-10

by blondie in

jw
friends

i have not read a wt for many years, but a comment on jwn prompted me to check out this one study article #19. i was stunned, they addressed many observations i have made in the "comments you will not hear" over the years.

this segment will contain comments on the section called what we do not know paragraphs 1 through 10. i will post what we do know” in another original post covering paragraphs 11 through 17”.

1) definition of "king of the south" and "king of the north.

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Since the fall of Nazi Germany, the King of the North has always been Russia.

"How will Jehovah and his Son, whom he has entrusted to do the judging"

Actually the 144,000 will do the judging as their job in heaven is to be kings and priest and kings judge.

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Alteration of Revelation 3:14 in the 4th century to support the emerging Trinity doctrine

by slimboyfat in

in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.

this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.

the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.

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"Mathew 28 19. There is your three in a single verse and a pretty important one as well."

Just those three mentioned in one verse is the trinity?

What about the co-equal, co-eternal? You don't get that from that verse.

It says the holy spirit came down as a dove. Jesus was there anointed or baptized with the holy spirit. The first one. That anointed him as king. Holy spirit was the equivalent of oil on Saul and David anointing them as kings. The holy spirit as oil shows that it is not a person or God or co-anything. IT is another example of it being a tool of God.

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | September 2024

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | september 2024. enjoy the greater happiness that comes from giving.

9 though we are imperfect humans, we can imitate jehovah’s generous use of power.

we cannot literally impart strength, or energy, to others.

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New changes with this issue.

STUDY TIP

Study With an Open Mind

As we prepare to study, we might ask ourselves, ‘What do I expect to learn?’ However, we do well to be careful not to let our expectations blind us to what Jehovah is teaching us. How can we keep an open mind when we study?

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