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  Guidelines for Traveling Overseers (tga-S)

  by hildebrando in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today, thanks to a brave do and my colleague elkatire 1980, we make make public the manual, guidelines for traveling overseers (tga-s), of which existence many suspected, but even in english, it wasnt available.. from its very title page, this book indicates in bold letters:.

  it should not be shown to others, nor should any portion of it be reproduced.

  note: for now, this book is only available in spanish, but we are working in translating a brief summary in english, hoping that someone from the english congregations makes it available to you soon.. http://hildeydesa.blogspot.com/2014/06/pautas-para-los-superintendentes.html.

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  "New Light" discretely slipped in on the 2014 regional convention: Paradise in heaven.

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  2014 regional convention:.

  on friday, on the last speech of the morning, (the "key speech"), a bethel member slipped in some "new light" rather casually, without much fuss.

  he mentioned the out-of-body experience of the apostle paul, in 2 corinthians 12:2-4, where he experienced being "caught up to the third heaven ... caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible words...".

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  I simply cannot grasp he twisted logic behing a "threefold paradise" that Paul would have seen in a vision. How does one "see" such a thing? Wouldn't Paul break it down for us, if that was the case? This explanation is utter nonsense, and scripturaly unsupported [where's a 'spiritual paradise' in the Bible?] - except that the WTS is introducing the concept of "paradise in heaven" in its theology, perhaps for future developments.

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  "New Light" discretely slipped in on the 2014 regional convention: Paradise in heaven.

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  2014 regional convention:.

  on friday, on the last speech of the morning, (the "key speech"), a bethel member slipped in some "new light" rather casually, without much fuss.

  he mentioned the out-of-body experience of the apostle paul, in 2 corinthians 12:2-4, where he experienced being "caught up to the third heaven ... caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible words...".

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  Oubliette,

  Certainly you won't find me championing for the WTS here. But I wanted to report that the WTS is apparently changing one of its core teachings : an earthly paradise where the faithful will live forever. The first step towards the change is to allow the notion of a paradise in heaven. They just did it. Quietly. So that nobody will ask many questions regarding this (huge) doctrinal change.

  I think it's another subtle shift towards a more mainstream christian theology.

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  "New Light" discretely slipped in on the 2014 regional convention: Paradise in heaven.

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  2014 regional convention:.

  on friday, on the last speech of the morning, (the "key speech"), a bethel member slipped in some "new light" rather casually, without much fuss.

  he mentioned the out-of-body experience of the apostle paul, in 2 corinthians 12:2-4, where he experienced being "caught up to the third heaven ... caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible words...".

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  2014 Regional Convention:

  On friday, on the last speech of the morning, (the "key speech"), a Bethel member slipped in some "new light" rather casually, without much fuss. He mentioned the out-of-body experience of the apostle Paul, in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, where he experienced being "caught up to the third heaven ... caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible words...". The speaker then tied this text with Revelation 2:7, that speaks of the reward for the faithful chosen ones: "To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God." The speaker then asked: "What is this paradise that Paul saw and Revelation mentions?"

  He then explained: 'We used to understand the "paradise" seen by Paul as the "spiritual paradise" that exists among Jehovah's people, the Jehovah's Witnesses. But now we came to an adjusted understanding [his words] of this passage" [in other words, "new light"]."

  The Bethel speaker then explained that the "paradise" seen by Paul is a three-fold reallity: a) A paradise in heavens that will be the reward for the 144.000 anointed christians; b) the present "spiritual paradise" among Jehovah's people; c) the future paradise on earth. He repeated this twice for good measure.

  This explanation was slipped in very quietly and without any fuss; at most, it lasted a couple of minutes. Most people didn't even took notice of it, as everyone was getting ready for the lunch break. But wait - isn't this a HUGE change? So now, for the first time, the WT allows for a paradise in heaven?? What next? All christians will have a heavenly reward? :P

  What do you think?

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  Internet Dating - I feel like I am being love bombed again

  by KateWild in

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  2. relationships

  i am on three or four sites and lots of guys are showing an interest and trying to be genuine.

  it reminds me of being love bombed by the jws.

  i am having so much fun and loving all the attention, i almost got carried away with it all, until i got a pm on jwn.. i have just been absorbing it all and it dawned on me i am still vulnerable, and possibly not ready to date.

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  Date me - then we can exit together!

  oh wait, I'm married. Nevermind.... :P

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  Your final WTF? Moment!

  by restrangled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it was a long time coming for me.....when i read about the extened generations, after being raised on1914 being the be all end all, and millions would never die....that was the end.

  i was part of the 1975 fiasco, the 6 month only truth book studies, suffered through a disifellowshipping and their version of a rewind.

  i finally am free and hope others can eventually look in instead of inside looking out!

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  For me it was when I realized what I had suspected long ago: that "God's Organization" was embarassingly human. "Crisis of Conscience" did that for me. The rest just followed when I allowed myself to research outside the WT box.

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  Books that changed your life-

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am not much of a reader as i have two many distractions, but i fancy a challenging read, so please list any book that has changed your entire world view on everything.

  i remember as a teenager buying at a yard sale, norman vincent peales " the power of positive thinking" and at the time that had a big impact on me.

  but i am a little bit more in to " realistic positive thinking" now..

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  Crisis Of Conscience - Ray Franz

  1984 - George Orwell

  The Fear Of Insignificance - Carlo Strenger

  The Gentile Times Reconsidered - Carl Jonsson

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  Can 'the truth' survive the Internet?

  by Noumenon in

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  great article here, from some university prof. doesn't seem he was ever a jw either.. http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2003_10/cox-truth.html

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  marked ... abeit dated (this is pre-jw.org age), it's very well written.

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  need advice

  by search4truth in

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  2. friends

  my spouse felt a need to tell to elders about me reading apostate websites and speaking against wt stuff , so they'll probably try to readjust my apostate thinking any time soon.

  my spuse never see me reading anything but, during our arguments i did't keep my mouth shut and she knows that i had to read it somwhere and it wasn't jw.org.

  could this get my in the trouble if my spose is the only witness and never spoke to another person about this stuff ?

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  I second what Splash said. Lay low. Accept counseling. Admit to *some* apostate readings, but not on a regular basis. Above all, never trust your spouse again. Actually, don't trust *anyone* even your closest friends in the congregation. They *will* turn you in. You're not ready yet to take a decisive stand and risk losing your family / marriage.

  However, I would be clear to my spouse that turning me in to the elders for "independent thinking" is a serious blow to the marriage; one that I wouldn't be willing to accept if it ever happens again. Fair warning given.

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  What happened to member "Amazing"?

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have read last night the personal story of forum member "amazing", which he posted in 19 installments about 12 years ago.

  there are so many things about his experience that i can relate with.

  he seems to have vanished from this forum, for his last post as "amazing" was about 3 years ago.

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  Thank you, NN and Blondie