Posts by EdenOne

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Coordinator of Elders Problems in One Southern England Circuit!

by The Searcher in

information just passed to me.

let's hope this becomes even more widespread.

i wonder if the britain branch suspects a conspiracy?

EdenOne

The legal exposure of being an elder is sufficient reason to avoid it like a poison chalice.

^^This. If I hadn't stepped down years ago, this would be reason enough to convince me to step down now.

Eden

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

EdenOne

Bohm, just wanted to say I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

Eden

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

EdenOne

Well, since you insisted, Viviane...here are a few examples, and the author(s) aren't named. You know who you are.

that sanctimonious, untruthful and malevolent humbug and scoundrel was seen off by me a long time ago.

You're probably a little simple-minded, which is perfectly all right.

Let me guess. Your an uneducated, living-in-your-mother's-basement- 300 pound bald man, with no social life aren't you ?

XXXX you're an imbecile.

You are truly a perfect Christian. Utterly ignorant and utterly dishonest.

What a self righteous sanctimonious idiot.

As for examples of exchanges that took place between me and you, Viviane, remember that Simon removed many of those from the threads, so they cannot be found anymore. And, by the way, if you care to re-read what I wrote earlier on this thread, my remarks weren't aimed particularly at you, or Cofty, or anyone in particular, but you both seemed to take exception with it. Makes one wonder why.

It's also part of "urbanity" to admit when one has stepped over the line. I did a few times on this matter and frankly, I don't want to be put in a situation where I'm pushed to be that kind of person. That's why I ask those who frequently do this to change their attitude - hopefully they're able to admit that about themselves.

Eden

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

EdenOne

Eventually, if I'd bother to go back and dig up some past threads, it wouldn't be difficult to find examples of what I've said. But I won't. You may say that I'm refusing to back up what I'm saying with "evidence", but I simply don't want to go there, it's just stirring s**t. If someone wants to heed to this, fine. If not, then the thing I'll continue to do is to stay away from polemic threads. I don't have a need to prove I'm right on this. There's a life beyond these forums, and I have enough stress already, with consequences to my health. I don't need additional stress, and, frankly, when it comes to adults, it shouldn't be needed to explain what urbanity means.

Eden

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

EdenOne

Just to clarify something from the onset, Cofty, I wasn't among those who "disliked" what you wrote.

I think it shouldn't be hard to concede that insults and personal attacks aren't restricted to the blunt use of harsh name-calling. There are other forms of personal attacks that come wrapped as humor, condescendence, or derrogatory remarks.

I didn't change my point, I merely clarified my objection to include these. To ridicule someone's ideas is one thing, but to ridicule someone because it holds those ideas is a whole different ball game, but it's a thin line to cross. It's quite common, unfortunately, and this happens in many forums, that some who may actually be right about something, think that gives them authority to insult people on the other side of the fence.

Eden

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

EdenOne

I can't remember when I last observed this sort of behaviour on this forum.

I certainly do, Cofty. Remember that many times the insult and personal attack take subtle forms, or are delivered under the guise of a humourous derrogative remark.

Eden

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

EdenOne

I have been involved in a few discussions here about beliefs and opinions. And while I agree that people, not beliefs, warrant respect, and robust arguments (to use Cofty's term) may be brought forward to deconstruct beliefs of others and that is absolutely legit, there's a line that is often crossed, which I find unacceptable, which is to question or attack the person's integrity or intelligence because of some belief or opinion that is held. To say, in any form, "if you believe in Creationism you must be stupid" or "if you don't think the Bible is inspired of God, you're working for Satan", or "if you don't think I'm right in my argument, you're retarded", or something similar, is unacceptable. I stopped taking part in certain discussions in this forum because some people think they're entitled to insult others just because they feel they have reason on their side. I've decided that I have no time for such people nor do I want to become such person.

Eden

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Truth light and Truth Express could just lead back to Truth v1.0

by Saintbertholdt in

truth light and truth express could just lead back to truth v1.0.

the following is just shooting the breeze, so take the following with a tablespoon of salt:.

i've been thinking about the "something interesting!

EdenOne

Real truth 1.0 status was to reset things to pre-1931 status: Bible Students, One-Class heavenly Hope, no disfellowshipping, no "Governing Body", no ban on birthdays and blood transfusions, no "generation" speculation.

Eden

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Hey everybody! Just droppin' in :)

by macys in

jw
friends

it feels so good to be free from the jdub cult!

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EdenOne

Welcome to the forum, macys! :)

Eden

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Need advice

by Darkknight757 in

hi.i've been pouring over this site for the past few days looking for some advice and i hope there is someone here that can help a guy out.

i'm desperate.....short bio: i came into the organization after high school and shortly after married a wonderful girl who was born-in.we have been happily married now for nearly 20 years and things were well until 2015 hit.

by the way, i currently serve as an elder and have the ""privilege"" of being the "watchtower overseer".. either here nor there, we were told we would never have children but late last year my wife became prego!!

EdenOne

DK, welcome to the forum.

I'm very sorry for your losses. I don't think I'm able to grasp the pain and loss you and your wife may be going through, but as the father of an awesome 18-year old child, I certanly know the kind of nightmares the mere thought of it brings up. Hang in there, your wife needs you.

You're not really in a position to drop out suddenly, but your wife is certainly a good excuse for you to start relinquishing some organizational "privileges" that are burdening you - you need to support her and focus on her needs. And take it VERY slowly. Be considerative of your wife's feelings about you slowing down your activity in the congregation, as she may take it as a double loss, and even feel guilty about it. You need to make sure she doesn't get that feeling. Spend a lot of time with her, maybe plant a few seeds of TTATT here and there, but, above all, let her see that the congregation isn't the spiritual paradise that the GB wants the JWs to believe they live in is nothing but vaporware, that when problems arise and you appear to be weakening, they turn against you.

All my words couldn't really persuade my wife, but it was the unloving, unchristian tratment that I got from the congregation and JW friends when I began to express doubts and dissent that caused her to finally join me in leaving this disgusting cult.

In any case, now it's the time to read read read, strenghten your ideas, and take your time to think about an exit strategy that will leave your marriage intact.

Eden