Posts by EdenOne

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Fading 2.0

by pale.emperor in

the following examples are true.

witnessed by myself and many many other jw's of my age generation.. they're examples of a successful fade, and a failed fade and what we can learn from them.. the successful fade.

sister c - she gets baptized at 19yo.

I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

EdenOne

KateWild - Can someone start a thread please. Perhaps you Eden if you are available. Discussing the best ways to check the credibility of we have read or heard. I would really like a thread like that.

I'm not qualified enough to start such a thread, KateW. Someone else with better scientific background than me would do a much better job.

Eden

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

EdenOne

Let me just throw in an example just to show how dishonest these quotes from "evolutionists" are.

One of the quotes found in the hebronics.org website is this one:

"One is forced to conclude that many scientists and technologists pay lip-service to Darwinian theory only because it supposedly excludes a Creator." (Dr. Michael Walker, Senior Lecturer, Anthropology, Sydney University. Quadrant, p. 44)"

Wow! A quote by a scientist that even includes the reference to the work where it was published. Must be legit, right? Well, it was abundantly quoted in the creationist website Answers in Genesis. (The same people behind the new Noah's Ark attraction).

Well ...someone took the effort to actually go and read the context of that quote. Here's what the author originally wrote.

"One is forced to conclude that many scientists and technologists pay lip-service to Darwinian theory only because it supposedly excludes a Creator from yet another area of material phenomena, and not because it has been paradigmatic in establishing the canons of research in the life sciences and the earth sciences."

"Dr Walker's essay To Have Evolved or To Have Not? That is the Question, from which AiG selectively quotes, is of no assistance to the YEC cause or their argument in this case. The essay does not condemn Darwinism per se but merely questions how those scientists Dr Walker claims pay lip service to Darwin's Theory can use it to explain the emergence of human culture. Nor does Dr Walker support creationism which he refers to as "scientifically bankrupt" and "sterile bible [sic] bashing". The main point of discussion in his essay is the emergence of Man as a moral and spiritual being and he believes that neither biology nor the Bible can explain this. He discusses the proposition that any attempt to explain the emergence of human culture within evolutionary theory is wrong and the key to discovering when and how this occurred lies in the period somewhere between 20,000 and 5,000 years ago when written records began to be used."

Beware of those pesky 'quotes from evolutionist scientists in favor of creationism' because, as evidence shows, they are generally manipulated in dishonest ways to mean something they don't mean to.

Eden

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

EdenOne

Perry's list has been assembled by one Joel Hebron Hendon and has been making the rounds on the internet since a few years now. What's Mr. Hendon's expertise?

"Joel Hendon is retired from secular work and spends much of his time now in study of the Bible and various religions. He writes religious and conservative political articles for five online publications." - See his profile

Oh ok, so he surely is an expert on the subject. He is behind the hebronics.org website. In there, at the beginning of the said list of quotes we find this statement:

"These quotes are garnered and assembled by Joel Hendon. They are freely available and found throughout the internet. We make no claim as to the accuracy of these quotes or the authenticity. They are presented as found, showing the source, where available." - See for yourself

Glad to know you can copy and paste from such an authoritative source, Perry.

Eden

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Is confrontational "New Atheism" undermining the cause of atheism?

by EdenOne in

interesting debate between lawrence krauss and greg epstein.. watch the debate on al-jazeera.. what do you think?.

eden.

EdenOne

I really am in favor of promoting education. Let education effect people and the inevitable consequence is that in the vast majority of cases, they will conclude for themselves that religious beliefs are ridiculous and will abandon them. However, there's more to religion than just beliefs: there's community, family, culture, identity values. What needs to be tackled are the nonsensical beliefs, but at the same time respecting the dignity of the people and the OTHER (positive) values associated with religion.

Eden

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