Posts by EdenOne

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Updates and fixes

by Simon in

i thought i'd spend some time cleaning up the forum code and wanted to let you know about some of the recent changes and fixes:.

the avatars and in-post images used to use a separate imaging service which was convenient but didn't provide much control over caching which meant that each day you visited the site you were probably re-downloading those images again.

as they are immutable they can be cached for a long time which saves bandwidth and speeds things up.

EdenOne

Outstanding, Simon. Thank you!

Eden

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There is a new letter to elders about Child Abuse

by ttdtt in

anyone see that there is a long letter on how to handle child abuse?.

EdenOne

If the JWs claim that they actively engage the community with their witnessing because they care for their eternal well-being, this letter shows the immense hipocrisy of such claim, because the elders aren't instructed to do anything to protect the community at large when they know there's a child abuser amongst them. That alone shows how hypocrite this cult really is.

Eden

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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"

by Sanchy in

jw
friends

video is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".

warning: your head might explode.

especially past the 5:30 mark.

EdenOne

maninthemiddle

From the same source you quoted:

"If the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof-texts
given, we might not improperly name the volumes--
the Bible in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself "

Now, it's absolutely true that on the same article the author says that "Studies in the Scriptures" are not a substitute to the Bible or as the author wrote, they are not meant to "supplant the Bible". But the point isn't about Russell ever saying that. The point is that the Bible Students elevated Russell's books to a similar status than of the Bible. Because the Studies were interpretative works based upon the Bible (albeit not the Bible itself), raising its status to that of the Bible also raised those interpretations to the level of inspired work. Actually, the same author said:

Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot
see the Divine Plan in studying the Bible by itself, but
we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years
--if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes
to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for
ten years, our experience shows that within two years he
goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had
merely read the SCRIPTURE STUDIES with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would
be in the light at the end of the two years, because he
would have the light of the Scriptures.

and this too:

We repeat, then, that STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES are either of the Lord's providence or else they
are one of the greatest miracles.

Kenneth Floodin's video is an exercise in strawman argument and red herring. He is the one that's exercising deceit upon his audience. He is the liar in this story.

Eden

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Chrome or Edge Browser? Which is Better?

by KateWild in

so i finally am on windows 10. my computer kept asking me and i kept refusing, but then it went to a countdown and before i had a chance to stop it, it was updating, and i couldn't use my laptop for the full 1000 year reign of jesus christ.. when i finally could use it, i had a problem opening chrome with all my favourite apps or pages stored.

sometimes i have to open edge for for chrome to open.

but i have had a little go a edge.. edge has a different search engine to google, anyone know what it is?

EdenOne

My 2011 MacBook Pro was recently overhauled with a Solid State Drive to replace the internal CD ROM drive and run alongside my 7200 RPM conventional hard drive, and continues do deliver great service. Nothing I had before comes even closer to its quality. Then, OS X is a breeze compared with windows... Only Safari browser is less powerful than Firefox, but ... just use Firefox as browser.

Eden

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How To Spot A Cult - This is what started woke me up!!

by pale.emperor in

this is the article that woke me up.

i felt sick after reading it.

then sad.

EdenOne

Marked

13

Fading 2.0

by pale.emperor in

the following examples are true.

witnessed by myself and many many other jw's of my age generation.. they're examples of a successful fade, and a failed fade and what we can learn from them.. the successful fade.

sister c - she gets baptized at 19yo.

EdenOne

LOL I was so Brother M .....

Eden

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

EdenOne

KateWild - Can someone start a thread please. Perhaps you Eden if you are available. Discussing the best ways to check the credibility of we have read or heard. I would really like a thread like that.

I'm not qualified enough to start such a thread, KateW. Someone else with better scientific background than me would do a much better job.

Eden

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

EdenOne

Let me just throw in an example just to show how dishonest these quotes from "evolutionists" are.

One of the quotes found in the hebronics.org website is this one:

"One is forced to conclude that many scientists and technologists pay lip-service to Darwinian theory only because it supposedly excludes a Creator." (Dr. Michael Walker, Senior Lecturer, Anthropology, Sydney University. Quadrant, p. 44)"

Wow! A quote by a scientist that even includes the reference to the work where it was published. Must be legit, right? Well, it was abundantly quoted in the creationist website Answers in Genesis. (The same people behind the new Noah's Ark attraction).

Well ...someone took the effort to actually go and read the context of that quote. Here's what the author originally wrote.

"One is forced to conclude that many scientists and technologists pay lip-service to Darwinian theory only because it supposedly excludes a Creator from yet another area of material phenomena, and not because it has been paradigmatic in establishing the canons of research in the life sciences and the earth sciences."

"Dr Walker's essay To Have Evolved or To Have Not? That is the Question, from which AiG selectively quotes, is of no assistance to the YEC cause or their argument in this case. The essay does not condemn Darwinism per se but merely questions how those scientists Dr Walker claims pay lip service to Darwin's Theory can use it to explain the emergence of human culture. Nor does Dr Walker support creationism which he refers to as "scientifically bankrupt" and "sterile bible [sic] bashing". The main point of discussion in his essay is the emergence of Man as a moral and spiritual being and he believes that neither biology nor the Bible can explain this. He discusses the proposition that any attempt to explain the emergence of human culture within evolutionary theory is wrong and the key to discovering when and how this occurred lies in the period somewhere between 20,000 and 5,000 years ago when written records began to be used."

Beware of those pesky 'quotes from evolutionist scientists in favor of creationism' because, as evidence shows, they are generally manipulated in dishonest ways to mean something they don't mean to.

Eden

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

EdenOne

Perry's list has been assembled by one Joel Hebron Hendon and has been making the rounds on the internet since a few years now. What's Mr. Hendon's expertise?

"Joel Hendon is retired from secular work and spends much of his time now in study of the Bible and various religions. He writes religious and conservative political articles for five online publications." - See his profile

Oh ok, so he surely is an expert on the subject. He is behind the hebronics.org website. In there, at the beginning of the said list of quotes we find this statement:

"These quotes are garnered and assembled by Joel Hendon. They are freely available and found throughout the internet. We make no claim as to the accuracy of these quotes or the authenticity. They are presented as found, showing the source, where available." - See for yourself

Glad to know you can copy and paste from such an authoritative source, Perry.

Eden

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Is confrontational "New Atheism" undermining the cause of atheism?

by EdenOne in

interesting debate between lawrence krauss and greg epstein.. watch the debate on al-jazeera.. what do you think?.

eden.

EdenOne

I really am in favor of promoting education. Let education effect people and the inevitable consequence is that in the vast majority of cases, they will conclude for themselves that religious beliefs are ridiculous and will abandon them. However, there's more to religion than just beliefs: there's community, family, culture, identity values. What needs to be tackled are the nonsensical beliefs, but at the same time respecting the dignity of the people and the OTHER (positive) values associated with religion.

Eden