it's only been 2 days and i'm starting to miss all of you (filthy apostates) already.
a lot can happen in 2 days and it has.......job's going ok, the chick got the flick, jw's keep smsing me on my phone (sending me goodluck letters) it's a pity they'd never find out the real story, and my friend has sent my records to me yesterday so i should get them soon.. from 2 days ago and onwards i'll only be online once or twice a month cos of work and the fact i don't have ready access to a computer anymore.
i was thinking about the situation of if someone was df'd for reading apostate literature.
ApostleAK,
I will miss your regular posts.
On the other hand, if you continue to resort to low level crudities to make your point or frame an analogy, I would rather do without them.
Your use of the expression "you would all get a hard on" if someone was to win a court case for being disfellowshipped for reading apostate literature was tasteless and inappropriate for a forum like this one. Oh, and Uncle Bruce doesn't need our help to take
care of himself.
Uncanny
Thanks again, Norm.
Since I became a modern "apostate" myself last year I cannot deny these feelings of unspoken and unwritten hatred being directed my way from the Watchtower "brain dead" as you call them. Such evil thoughts are no doubt emenating from the same so called Christians who for years acted as my closest friends and confidants.
Still, I never gave it a thought that I was on their menu.
Uncanny
interspersed amidst the text of the five gospels are short cameo essays about topics related to subject matter at hand.
one that caught my eye is called hard sayings softened:.
hard sayings are frequently softened in the process of transmission to adapt them to the conditions of daily living.. luke 6:30a give to everyone who begs from you.
Nice post, Ginny.
You have thoroughly exposed the hypocritical double standard used by the Watchtower Society when it comes to THEM lending money to others.
By charging interest on loans to their fellow brothers they not only make a mockery of another love-based Jesus Christ teaching, they keep selling out everything they supposedly stand for.
But then, you don't build a billion dollar religious corporation by being benevolent towards the flock and/or lending "without interest, not hoping for anything back."
Uncanny
since brooklyn finally allowed the 1914 generation to die in 1995, the distributing apparatus of the multinational printing organization has been starting to slow down.. service is down, the numbers of pioneers are decreasing, the number of baptized show an alarming drop and people are leaving in their thousands.. after many decades of incessant harping on how jehovah, jesus and the bible had guaranteed that the end would be over before the 1914 generation was dead, the witnesses had the only thing that kept many of them going, ripped out from under their noses.
suddenly jehovah hadnt promised any such thing in the awake!
suddenly jesus had never been talking about the length of a generation, as usual the watchtower had never said any such thing, someone had speculated about the generation.
Somebody's thinking.
Congratulations, Norm, on a superbly constructed piece of writing, truly a great post. I really appreciate the work you put into that one.
This is what it's all about. It's a pity a whole lot of us don't just pass the hat around to secure some immortality for this one; like buying a full page advertisement in THE NEW YORK TIMES. Allright, I'll put my money where my mouth is, even though my dollar's probably only worth half what yours is.
If some of you great minds approve of this idea, we could then start a competition for the best headline. There must be at least a score of great copywriters around here and some don't even know it.
Uncanny
P.S. By the way, a racehorse with my Internet name - Uncanny - ran second in Brisbane today at long odds. So now you know why I'm cashed up for putting in for the ad. Next time I'll back him for a win!
Uncanny
andui
a very good friend of mine whos also a professor of english literature and humanities at a large, well-known university is also a libertarian!
he is quite a remarkable person, who has written extensively on many and varied subjects including a book on the titanic disaster, ayn rand, jehovahs witnesses, and isabel paterson, a contemporary of ayn rand.
he knows more about jws than even most informed apostates, although he has never been a jw.
Farkel,
So many gems there it's hard to pick a favourite.
Maybe 'People do not to realise how important
it is to have a good time until its too late.'
Makes me recall that classic John Lennon line from one of his softer songs. 'Life is what happens to you when you're
busy making other plans.'
As for an ageing ex-JW like me, I am trying to make every moment count.
Uncanny
will time spent as a jehovahs witness always have a disabling effect on a persons life, does the very existence of the wtbts cause us to feel wounded?.
is it a good idea to blame the wtbts for the negative impact that it has had on our lives, or will their come a point when the experience ultimately proves to be character-building?.
if the experience does eventually engender a form of emotional intelligence within us, does this mean that we must start to think about actually forgiving all those jw's who handed out to us their own special form of emotional abuse?.
Ah, a thinking English soccer hooligan. Just joking, Englishman. Always enjoy your thought provoking posts, true life experiences and interesting suppositions like this latest one.
So how can believing in something for so many years only to find out it was wrong NOT have a permanently disabling effect on one's life? But maybe if we genuinely free ourselves from the WTBS false realities and then accept each other for who we are now - out amongst the walking wounded - surely we can go forward and make the most of what we've got left; time and circumstances permitting.
Yes, I still blame the WTBS for ruining my life, but I don't hold them responsible. I joined them, they didn't join me.
As for your question about forgiving others. What's to say that a lot of the emotional abuse we have all suffered from Witnesses in one way or another would still not have happened anyway if we hadn't been hooked up with this religion? When push comes to shove, I believe people tend to react in a predictable way regardless of who they are, which way they worship or what they believe in.
My own theory for a better future for mankind now would be to wrest control of globalisation out of the hands of the corporations so the world can be a better place in our lifetime.
Uncanny
now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.
" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.
not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.
Whoops, Tina, I meant, SORELLA Valentina,
That's an interesting story about my Ethiopian princess and the Isle of Capri. Although it sounds like a dream or some fantasy, it actually happened. And seeing that I'm in a rarely sociable mood, I would like to share it with you and others.
When I attached myself to the English speaking group of Jehovah's Witnessess in Naples, Italy, a couple of years ago, one summer Saturday in '98 we organised a group of us to catch the motor ferry to nearby Capri for the day. We were all supposed to meet at the wharf and travel there together. But only me and a gorgeous Ethipian sister turned up. Anyway, we didn't miss the boat that day, and if you can think of a better place than Capri to fall in love then I'd like to know.
I never knew nearly all native Africans can't swim; so I had the pleasure of teaching her a few strokes. The Australian crawl? We had a ball together and both felt complete at Empeor Tiberius' restored villa, San Michelle. The view from the colonade looking down haunts my memory still. And I will never forget the feeling of completeness I had when touring ancient Roman ruins like I was on a date after all those years of singleness. I rate that Saturday as probably one of the most beautifully natural and fulfilling days of my life.
This strange and exotic sister and I have kept in touch for almost two and a half years. But after I flicked the Trooth 14 months ago we've gradually drifted apart. Like a rose slowly dies. She wanted to still stay friends and so did I, for a while. But what's the point? It's not fair on her or myself, as this crazy religion continues to provide her support system and has doomed any further bonding in our relationship. So no more midnight phone calls or letters either way. It's over now.
I've lost a lot in life and it often seems as if everybody I ever loved has died or left me. Only this time I can't blame the other side as I also have had a hand in saying goodbye. So no, I no longer have my Ethiopian princess. And what can one say when love dies?
Uncanny
now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.
" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.
not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.
Hi Sorello Valentina,
Yeah, Kyoto was nice work, and let's not forget the recent U-turn on limiting greenhouse emmissions. Australia can't talk. As usual, we cow towed to our allies and Uncle Sam and are also offending established international standards. Don't think I'm anti-American, I'm not. We're just another American town down under - least we're not still British! - and Adairs country bar on Hall Street in Dallas still rules for me.
And I ain't no Chinese commie sympathiser either. They still lead the world when it comes to having an appalling record of abusing human rights. There is another point for them being the new King of the South - some more food for thought for Watchtower revision writers.
When all is said and done, Tina, I'd rather be back in Naples. Or should I say, swimming again with my Ethipoian princess off the Isle of Capri.
Uncanny
now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.
" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.
not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.
Jang,
Yeah, I'm still around. Still waiting for the big one. Or as Randy Newman used to sing, "They all hate us anyhow,
so let's drop the big one now."
To answer your question, I'm now living in the picturesque Adelaide Hills of South Australia. A very pretty and fine autumn at the moment with the deciduous trees changing colour and dropping their leaves. But I did buy a hillside acre and a quarter of semi-rural paradise in Northern New South Wales last week where I hope to build a house later this year with the professional help of an ex-study, now also a WT-apostate, and without much help from me.
I just couldn't wait anymore for the world to end so I might claim my post apocalyptic mansion at Point Piper. Have to do it myself, I guess. Up the Roosters!
Uncanny
now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.
" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.
not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.
Now that the news is out the the United States of America has lost its seat on the United Nations Security Council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the Brooklyn Writing Deparetment will strip them of their King of the South title.
The US says it was because Europe couldn't "get its act together." But the truth was they just didn't get enough votes. Not too many salutes from the Middle East or the Asian countries, especially after George W's spyplane fiasco over the Chinese border.
I'd like to see China, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad Bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days. Who knows? I might even get to see the Chinese premier - and not an impersonator next time - telling Jay Leno's worldwide audience on Television to "righten up" before singing "Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody wang chung tonight."
Änd now that Russia's failure with communism is seeing that former superpower heading back into pre-Bolshevik corruption and poverty, who do you think the new King of the North will be? Aw, that's too easy. Blame Canada.
Uncanny
