Posts by Unclepenn1

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The Trinity Is A False Doctrine!

by non_trias_theos in

christendom teaches that there are three persons in one substance.

yet there is not three gods but one god.

what could be more unscriptural and illogical?

Unclepenn1

Hey Dakota Red, you made the comment that the Father is the ONLY true God. By definition then, Jesus is a false god. That's the way language works my friend. Think of any other circumstance where something is the only true _____ and all other things aren't false.

Also, thefollower, if you say you have heard the arguments for the Trinity brochure and actually still believe it is a good publication, then you are lying and have not looked at the arguments at all. The people quoted in some places were actually supporting the trinity. It was ripped out of context and used as a refutation. They are lying to you.

Penn

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Are there any JW's here?

by rbaitz in

i would like to dialog with any jw's.

i have some questions that i hope you can answer or if you cannot just say so.. my first question:.

jesus is called the son of god (john 3:16).

Unclepenn1

If Jesus had not risen from the dead with His body (now glorified) why was the tomb open?

The tomb was not open to let Jesus out, but rather to let people in. Remember, in the upstairs room, He entered with the doors locked. He can go through walls now.
Also when the JW's give you the spiel about He is now a spirit being, it's just a bunch of double talk. They believe Jesus' body was dissolved in the tomb (What scripture was that again?) and that He appeared as different people or in different forms to the disciples, but He made them think it was really Jesus, although the body of Jesus is supposedly evaporated or something like that. Jesus is no longer Jesus, but rather Michael again, although Michael had to will himself out of existence (suicide) so Jesus could be born but now he exists again as Jesus, even though Jesus on earth in HIs resurrection body was claiming to be Jesus (he was lying).

Confused? So are they.

Penn

If I misrepresented you JW's, please clarify it for me.

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dateline copies...KEEP IT OFF THE BOARD!!!!!

by dungbeetle in

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since dateline plans i believe on selling vidotape copies of this segment, please don"t advertise on the board or anywhere that you are sharing copies.. i repeat: please don"t advertise on the board or anywhere that you are sharing copies.. everyone, use email for crying ourt loud, better yet, edit your posts if it isn't too late.

it won't be easy ever agian to get a program to air our stuff if we advertise that we're taking money away from them.. hugs to all of you who are...uh.... .

before you try and remove the stick from my arse, remove the telephone pole from your own arse..

Unclepenn1

Not only that but I don't think it is very expensive at all to buy copies from the show. I think the last time I did that the cost was only around 15-20.00

Well, I tried to buy a copy of 20/20 program last year from ABC and they wanted 35.00! I couldnt believe it! I even wrote them a letter saying it was shameful of them (The program in question was about orphanages in Romania, and I made the objection that for what they charge for a video, 100 kids could have been fed-or something like that)

Anyway, I know it's a different network, so who knows (I guess I could call the number, but I'm lazy!)

Penn

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ex-jws and cognitive dissonance

by HildaBingen in

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mystikool told me i should endure.

he said it not right for me to drop out when there is battle to be fought.

so i no longer offended.

Unclepenn1

Hilda, what exactly is it about the WT that makes you think they are teaching the truth? The Bible is truth, not the false interpretations that the governing body puts into it. Have you ever read the Bible, like in context, or do you just skim and dip like all the other JW's I know? Read the gospels, start to finish. I bet you wont be a JW long after that. Also, why do we need someone to tell us what the Bible is saying. Why cant we just let the Bible tell us what it is saying?

Penn

No blood, no beards, no smoking, no holidays, shunning, . [In the Bible? Well, not exactly]

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Greg Stafford's New Book Has Shipped

by AlanF in

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today i received greg stafford's new book three dissertations on the teachings of jehovah's witnesses.

for those who don't know, stafford has been a staunch defender of the watchtower society's teachings for at least six years, on the net and in print.

his previous book, jehovah's witnesses defended (1998, 2000), is a milestone in pro-jw literature.. the new book is a radical departure from stafford's previous book in that he strongly questions the society's doctrines about blood transfusions, the basis for the claim of spiritual authority by jw leaders, the necessity for christians to believe the society's 1914 doctrine, and issues of "legalism" including the propriety of requiring "time" in the field ministry to be reported, and even the supposed scriptural basis for the society's ban on celebrating birthdays and christmas.

Unclepenn1

whatsthisabout, I actually totally agree with you, on just about every point. Good post!

Penn (always open for biblical dialogue)

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Just The FACTS Please!!

by Unclepenn1 in

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this is a new post but the continuation of a thread that was called 'wanting to believe in god'.

i thought the information was important, so i figured it would be best to start something new, rather than hijack a previous topic.

two people made similar comments, which i believe to be mistaken, and not what the facts of history tell us.

Unclepenn1

OK, I want to make just a couple of comments and then try and put this thing to bed. I have spent too much time in front of this glowing box already

You wrote>>You want references for Christains undoing Christain work? Here goes. You said that Christains stopped the persecution of witches? Who were the people who started it? You say Christains helped stop slavery. What was the religion of the people promulgating it in Christain nations? (And what religious book endorses the practice?)

Great question! Where does the Bible tell me to go torture people if they do not believe the gospel? Where does it say to have a slave if you want? Answer? Nowhere! Paul lists slavetrading as a practice equalled with liars and perverts.

(1 Tim 1:9-10)We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

Whats's the poiint? Stop saying that we Christians 'punt' away those that proclaim Christ but act in opposition to Him. It is a unfounded assertion. I do not punt away any brother. I punt away those who claim to follow Christ but to not bear fruit in concert with knowing HIm. A Christian is not merely someone who says 'I am a Christian'. We live in America, everyone in prison had some form of exposure to Christianity. You cannot say that prisons are full of Christians, because like the example I gave you with myself, I would have said the same.

And as far as my life now goes, I did not one day deicde "I will become a Christian'. I believed the gospel and God changed me from the inside out. I did not suddenly become moral and follow all the rules. God changed my heart and put in me a desire to do good and live for Him. He saved me from my sin and from His judgement that my sin deserves.

Penn

BTW, Did you see Phish on the Simpsons a few weeks ago? Do you know who they are? I will have to agreee that that show is probably the most consistently funny of any other I can think of. I love the Homer character. SO true!

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Just The FACTS Please!!

by Unclepenn1 in

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this is a new post but the continuation of a thread that was called 'wanting to believe in god'.

i thought the information was important, so i figured it would be best to start something new, rather than hijack a previous topic.

two people made similar comments, which i believe to be mistaken, and not what the facts of history tell us.

Unclepenn1

>>Read the communist manifesto. Atheism was not supposed to result in an immoral society, but one that was infinitely more moral than the Christain "capitalist" one.

I am not saying that atheism equals an immoral society, sorry if that is the way I came across. My point was that when someone attacks Christianity and says that 'more bloodhsed has been caused by religion....." I like to make things clear, and I think to drive the point home, discussion of the absence of religion and it's effects does good to prove this point. I am in no way suggesting that atheism causes immorality, but the abscence of believing in a higher form of justice causes some people[ obviously these particular communist leaders] to make themselves God, exterminatinig others for whatever reasons, lack of conformity, race, religion, et al.

If I go murder people and say that I am a Buddhist, does that mean the teachings of Buddha make people cause bloodshed?Of course not. Never judge a philosophy by its abuse.

>>Then stop stating "atheism" caused mass killings, when the reasons had nothing to do with theology.

I will concede your point.

>>As far as Christanity endorsing the rights of women, perhaps you should look through the annals of the womens liberation movement, and see how many "unchristain" women (e.g.: atheists, gay people) were heavily involved in this noble cause, and how many Christain men were opposed. This was not an issue carried by "christain values", my friend.

I am sure there are some non Christian women that have done good for the cause of women, atheism and homosexuality have done a lot to further the womens lib movement in this country. Can you point me to some who work and live with forgotten tribes in Africa or who spent dozens of years freeing women from cultures that kept them as slaves? I am sure you could point me to a couple. I do not think it is the norm though. The women you speak of, have I assume, done some things *in this country* to further womens rights. But on a global scale, I am just not seeing it.

>>Just about all your references of "Christain good" had to do with Christains undoing the bad that other Christains caused (even in Africa, "Christains" were responsible for many a mistreatment of the natives).

I spent a lot of time writing my piece and gave plenty of references to back it up. Could you provide me with some factual information regarding this? I am not doubting you, I would just like to discover this for myself.

>>>Why do atheist make up only 2 tenths of one percent of the U.S. prison population, while Christains are the majority?

As far as saying that prisons are filled with Christians, that's becasue people say they are Christians when they have nothing to do with Christ. Before I was saved I was a drug addict and slept with whoever I wanted. If someone were taking a poll and walked up to me and asked me if I were religious, I would have said yes, Christian [I grew up Catholic]. There are a billion people that say they are Christian. SO WHAT! The men in prison are obviously not following Christ becasue if they were they wouldnt be in prison. .HELLO! I will never go to prison because I serve God. The only way would be if I were in there for Him.

>>(U.S. atheists tend to be more educated and make more money than the general populace, so therefore the need to commit criminal acts isn't there).

Thats is simply just a fallacious argument.

You seem very intelligent CrownBoy, and I appreciate the dialogue. Why Bart Simpson? I love the Simpsons, but I think you would do better with an icon that more relfected who you are. Just a thought.

Take care,

Penn

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Just The FACTS Please!!

by Unclepenn1 in

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this is a new post but the continuation of a thread that was called 'wanting to believe in god'.

i thought the information was important, so i figured it would be best to start something new, rather than hijack a previous topic.

two people made similar comments, which i believe to be mistaken, and not what the facts of history tell us.

Unclepenn1

CrownBoy, I appreciate the reply, and I am going to reply back, but just not tonight. I am too tired to write what I want to. I am, however, going to briefly address Sunchild.

Sunchild said > Not just the past ones like, say, the Inquisition and assorted witch burnings, but elements like the KKK, Fred Phelps and other extremist weirdoes acting "in the name of God" that no one wants to claim.

The reason I wouldnt call these people Christians is because they do not meet the Biblical mandate for what a Chrisitan is. They do not show love for mankind [let alone their enemies] and they behave in ways that are antithetical to the teachings of Christ. I have actually spoken to Fred Phelps and we had him on our radio show last year. He is filled with hatred and there was nothing about him that gave me the impression that he followed Jesus, other than his verbal profession. But what does scripture say? Jesus said 'No good tree can bear bad fruit, and no bad tree can bear good fruit'. Guess what? Fred Phelps is a bad tree bearing bad fruit. To say that I should own up to him as a Christian, or some KKK racists, is to ignore what the BIble says Christians really are. Does that make sense? I hope so, cause it is crystal clear to me.

Warm regards,

Penn

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Just The FACTS Please!!

by Unclepenn1 in

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this is a new post but the continuation of a thread that was called 'wanting to believe in god'.

i thought the information was important, so i figured it would be best to start something new, rather than hijack a previous topic.

two people made similar comments, which i believe to be mistaken, and not what the facts of history tell us.

Unclepenn1

Hey one, thanks for the advice. I really do appreciate it. Like I stated however, this was a continuation of a previous post. It was already being discussed on the other thread. I appreciate it thought. **smiles**

Penn

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Just The FACTS Please!!

by Unclepenn1 in

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this is a new post but the continuation of a thread that was called 'wanting to believe in god'.

i thought the information was important, so i figured it would be best to start something new, rather than hijack a previous topic.

two people made similar comments, which i believe to be mistaken, and not what the facts of history tell us.

Unclepenn1

Well, I appreciate everyone's replies. To be honest, when I got on my computer this morning I expected to be slammed for the most part. What a pleasant surprise. Thanks

I do want to address a few things that were said, and I have to do it before I go to work, so I will not be writing another novel [hopefully].

Carmel wrote> Now! Can you in fairness give attribution to Islam? What was its contribution to civilization? I think many would be surprised to see the list especially in the fields of higher math (algebra, etc) medicine,

I am sure that I could. My point was not to say that other religions have not done good or advanced societies. My point was to refute some common misconceptions that I see in the thinking processes of many on this board. i.e. that Christianity is responsible for more bloodshed, yada, yada, yada.

Crownboy wrote>Of course, they've been no wars fought over "atheism" that I can think of, and I can think of many wars where religion is involved

Please refer back to my original post. Were wars fought 'over' atheism? Not exactly, but were they fought over the desire to promote it? Absolutely! Lenin, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung are responsible for killiing a combined total of over 100 million [of their own] people, all trying to promulgate their atheistic ideals [or lack there of]. To say that you cannot think of any wars regarding atheism is flawed IMO and contrary to the facts.

>>(BTW: Hitler was a Christain).

You see, it is comments like this that make me realize that few are familiar the teachings of Christ. Jesus said you would know HIs followers by their love. Hmm, something about killing 10 million people (6 of them being Jews) makes me think that the person in question is lacking in the love department. If you read Matt chp 13, you will see that the world is going to be filled with false converts, that God will weed out on judgement day. Anyone can say they are a Christian, but you will know the true ones by their behavior. To assert that Hitler is a Christian reveals to me that there is a serious misunderstanding about Christianity. If I go murder people and say that I am a Buddhist, does that mean the teachings of Buddha make people cause bloodshed?Of course not. Never judge a philosophy by its abuse.

1 John 4:20- If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

>>And like it or not, Uncle Penn, Christianity's treatment of women and children and minorities is no better than that of any other religious group.

Really? Ever flip through the channels and come across some program on the treatment of women in the middle East? Where the women have to walk 10 feet behind their hubands and their camels are treated better and respected more than women are? I think you made too broad of an assertion. There are many many cultures even today that treat women like dirt. Missionaries often go into cultures and teach them that women are equal in the sight of God.

>>Advances in the social and cultural humanities are taking place RIGHT NOW among ALL walks of life,

I am not saying that isn't so. My point was to refute some prior assertions. Thanks for responding.

Liberty wrote>>The same could be said of an individual, a person could be a Morman or a Moonie and that person may be brilliant and ethical.

Yes, many people of many faiths have done good. I wrote this because when Jesus gave the great commision to go into all the world, by doing this it has changed the way the world is, at least to some extent. You cannot refute the fact that in Africa, there are 500 languages that have a written form because of Christianity. It is a fact. You can say this or that about it, but all I am trying to do is give factual information about what the teachings of Christ have done for the world. I am not giving you my opinion.

> I'm sure you can now see the fallacy of your theory that Christianity is responsable for our culture's advancements.

No! I am not sure what you mean! I gave information and I gave references. Everyone else is making vague remarks about how other cultures and religions do good too. That's fine. I am just trying to defend the teachings of Jesus and provide information whenever possible. Gotta run:) Thank you everyone for responding. I enjoy our dialogue.

Penn