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What is the answer??

by Undecided in

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the present world situation, as well as my own has started me thinking(i know thats a rare occurrence).

i do think more than i did as a jw, but i have not drawn many conclusions yet.

i guess that is what appeals to the rank and file, you dont need to think, all the problems of this life and the future are solved by god.. i just wonder what will be required to get the hate out of the world?

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Hi All,

The present world situation, as well as my own has started me thinking(I know that’s a rare occurrence). I do think more than I did as a JW, but I have not drawn many conclusions yet. I guess that is what appeals to the rank and file, you don’t need to think, all the problems of this life and the future are solved by God.

I just wonder what will be required to get the hate out of the world? I don’t like to have this feeling of hate. I watched the comments of the terrorist leader and I hated him. I wanted to grab him and beat some sense into his feeble brain. I don’t like that feeling, but it seems to control the world. The feeling of love is so much better and the results are always for good. (Well maybe not always since it can becloud someone’s thinking and hide the real facts that are required to effect good results.)

It really doesn’t matter that much for me, since I’ve almost used up my life here, but for my kids and future generations, I wish I could do something that would make some difference for the betterment of mankind. I just don’t have any answers, and as it seems to me neither does anyone else. We do have a better standard of living here in the US than most nations, but there are so many bad people in whatever nation you go. Percentage wise it’s not many, {at least here in the US) but those few can affect so many others.

I just feel sad about the world situation, and the problems of my family right now. I want go into that area, but I’ve lost a lot of my peace of mind I did have. (Nothing to do with my JW background).

I need to go into my backyard and sit in my swing and think about all the good things I have.

Ken P.

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Watchtower & Awake! - Real Purpose

by Amazing in

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watchtower & awake!

- real purpose - restated .

when i first read these pamphlets in the late 1960s, i was somewhat impressed with the statement found that they had no advertising so as to remain free and unfettered of any commercial control or influence.. the october 8th, 1968 awake!

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Hi Amazing,

I noticed your flag. My wife put a flag on my car's antena. I at first felt condemned or some sort of guilt, thinking about my JW kin folks seeing it. Then I realized it was a bunch of crap to feel this way. After all, the government is providing most of my money to live and also keeping me safe from all those Islamic finatics who would love to see me dead. Why shouldn't I show some appreciation for this?
God sure isn't doing anything to stop the hatred and death of innocent people. We have to do it ourselves. The JWs take everything from the social programs but show no appreciation for it. I think I will from now till I die.

Ken P.

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Special talk?

by NikL in

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i was just fowarded this from a faithful dub.

it sounds fishy to me, like one of those e mail hoaxes that go around.

subject: special talk on september 30 2001. .

Undecided

Hi All,

I'll have to check this out, I live just a 45 minute drive from Greensboro. I haven't heard anything about it, but I haven't talked to any JWs lately.

I saw a sign near the Kingdom Hall that said,"Hall for Sale". I heard they were building a new one on the road that I was raised as a kid. I will check this out too.

Ken P.

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Walter Salter's Letter 4 Newbies

by Farkel in

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several people have asked me about walter salter's letter menntioning smuggling cases of liquor for grudge rutherford.

i doubt that a letter more damning for da judge than this one could ever have been written:.

box no.

Undecided

Hi Farkel,

It really doesn't matter if the letter is real or not, it still exposes the way the Society operates, even today.

Ken P.

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What could I have said???

by Undecided in

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some time back i was in the grocery store and met a person that i had studied with about 30 years ago.

her husband is the pm or whatever they call it today in the congregation.

her children are faithful jws also.

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Hi All,

Some time back I was in the grocery store and met a person that I had studied with about 30 years ago. Her husband is the PM or whatever they call it today in the congregation. Her children are faithful JWs also. She said that she had never thanked me for bringing her into the "truth" and she wanted to thank me now.

I was speachless, what could I say? She doesn't know of my Apostate view of the org. now. I didn't respond. What would you have said?

They are good people, I still love them, what could I have said?

Ken P.

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letter to British Bethal

by sleepy in

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i hope to send this letter today although i must seriously consider the consequences if i do.. please let me know if i got the ngo info right.. dear brothers,.

i am writing on two matters of major concern to me.. firstly recently i have become aware of the fact that the watchtower society of jehovahs witnesses in new york is associated as an ngo (non governmental organisation) with the department of public information of the united nations organisation.. at first i was very skeptical of the idea , but when i checked it out on the uns web site i found that jehovahs witnesses were indeed listed in partnership with the un.. this is puzzling to me as by belief has been that the un was taught by the faithful and discreet slave to be part of satans political system of things.. here are some quotes from watchtower literature.. *** re 248 34 an awesome mystery solved ***.

the un is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of gods messianic kingdom by his prince of peace, jesus christto whose princely rule there will be no end.. .

Undecided

Hi Sleepy,

When I write a letter I always put it through a spell checker. My spelling is BAD! I can proof read pretty good though. There are a few other errors in your letter, so I would copy and post it to a spell checker. I know also that in Europe you spell some words differently from us Americans, so that may account for some of the perceived errors in spelling.

"This is puzzling to me as by belief"

Should be "my belief". A spell checker wouldn't catch this.

You letter was well written and I saved it for future use(if you don't mind me using it). Thanks for sharing it with us.

Ken P.

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POLL: Occupations

by Angst in

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as a witness what occupation did/do you hold?.

i was speaking with a friend of mine that is a former witness and we remarked about how many of us have worked in some sort of janitorial work.

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Pioneered after graduation until my father died, went to work to support my mother and I as an order filler in a textile mill. Became the assistant forman after a year. Then transferred to the office in data processing before computers. There were accounting machines which used punched cards. I wired the control boards and processed the data until they installed computers. All IBM equipment. I became a mainframe operator for 30 years untill I retired in 94. My brother and I worked in the same department, he was a programmer, the first one in our county. We retired the same day.

Ken P.

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The thoughts of real True Believers

by Norm in

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the friday 28 issue of washington post had some very interesting information about documents found in one of the terrorist hijackers luggage.

these documents give us a good insight into the minds of religious fanatics and their thinking.

all of you other true believers, christians and otherwise, can learn a lot of true faith from those documents.

Undecided

Hi Rex,

You made this statement:

God acts when He chooses and in His way and at His time. He provided us with a saviour and a life free to choose Him or not. The victory was won clear back at the cross and it is your own fault if you do not take His offer.

From what I have read in the bible, it seems that every time God has acted it was just like the men in the planes, his acts were to bring death and destruction. The flood, Jerusalem, Egypt, all the non-jewish people in the promised land, and yes his own son had to die, to appease him. Doesn't he ever bless people with good acts of kindness?
Well, I guess I should blame it all on the devil.

Ken P.

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The Watchtower magazine will cease soon.

by unbaptized_1 in

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due to the fact that god almighty jehovah,.

is displeased over the "divisiveness" of this once very.

worthy publication,and also that the "oversight" is as.

Undecided

Oh! No! Not another Shelby.

Ken P.

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Does anyone here believe the Bible?

by sawthelight in

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ive noticed many posts relating to evolution and i'm just wondering does anyone frequenting this board believe in the bible?

it seems that just because most have bad experiences with the wt that everyone here is an atheist.

i myself was something at least of an agnostic for quite some time after breaking free of the borg, but now i see things in a different light.

Undecided

Hi All,

The more I ponder the concept of God, the more questions I have that are not answerable. In my life of 65 years I haven't seen anything that can be directly attributed to God's power or action. The material universe is another question altogether. Who or what is responsible for it's existence? If a God made it, how did(he,it) come into existence? Why does nature work the way it does, everything has some other part of nature trying to destroy it's existence, and most of it has some built in characteristic to defend itself from some other form of nature. Makes no sense to me, but what do I know when it comes to the universe? Very little, but I can't just overlook everything I do know and just have faith in something that can't be proved or demonstrated and contradicts itself at every turn.

So where does that leave me? The same place as everyone else, we will live till we die, so you had better enjoy what time is left and help others do the same.

Ken P.