Posts by undercover

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CO visit... Circuit is not growing at all, he said during midweek meeting

by StarTrekAngel in

so that was a "shocker".

i was not able to attend the meeting.

i had a more important one with my other apostate friends in the area.

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On average, every third CO was a dick. You'd get the friendly, easy going, charming guy who everone loved, then he'd move on, and you'd get either a younger one on the way up, or an older one, on they way out. They were mostly forgettable. Then - the new guy. The company man. The self righeous prick. He goes out of his way to piss people off with his strict interpretation of WT rules. Not written rules mind you, but oral tradition handed down from on high from the Watchtower.

It was these guys that actually helped me see through the BS of the man made rules passed off as if from Jehovah.

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You're fired!...Damage control in October broadcast

by ab.ortega in

this new broadcast features interviews with bethelites from south africa that were fired reassigned to the ministry field.

i almost feel sorry for these people who gave their all thinking they would be taken care of for who-knows how many years.

however they were let go in the blink of an eye.

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JWs are one of the only church's that don't have nursing homes ( old people's full time care facilities) ... Some of other church's even have hospital

Why would they? Their entire message is one of impending destruction upon all of mankind, and their institutions. Even though the message is now over a hundred years old, they still cling to the idea that it's just around the corner. To set up nursing homes, and care for octogenarian JWs would only create questions.... 'hey, look at these old people who thought the end was coming in the 30s 40s 50s 60s and 70s'

(Never mind all the construction on world headquarters and real estate investments. Stay Toto stay. )

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Anionted mom says Jehovah may ask her to kill all her family!!

by Witness 007 in

yes my holy anionted mom who has cancer is concerned that the loving god jehovah may ask her in heaven to destroy here non believer family including her 5 year old grandchild during armagedon....how messed up are these crazy people!!?

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Yes my holy anionted mom who has cancer is concerned that the loving God Jehovah may ask her in heaven to destroy here non believer family including her 5 year old Grandchild during armagedon....how messed up are these crazy people!!??

Pretty messed up. But then, she's hypothosizing on a fantasy situation, one that will never arise.

What's even more messed up is that while someone deluded by WT doctrine is concerned about having to destroy non believing family, these same people wouldn't think twice about allowing a child in their care to die to prove their loyalty to the organization/god, by way of denying them a blood transfusion. They are on par with the Baal worshippers who sacrificed their children. Different sacrificial method, different god - same result.

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Community Outside of a Religious Setting

by What Now? in

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friends

this is the one thing that i have struggled with since leaving the organization.

i recognize the need and value of belonging somewhere, being a part of something, showing up weekly to a community where me and my husband and children are loved and utilized and incorporated and cared for.

a place where are my kids qualities are nurtured and encouraged , and then reigned in and developed when needed.

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...wonder if I have done my family a great disservice by taking this away from them.

Seriously? A disservice? You've saved them from indoctrination into a cult. You probably saved them from later personality issues once they realize they're in a cult, and try to escape. You may have even saved their lives, should the blood issue ever arise down the road (hopefully not, but do you want to really face that crisis as an open eyed JW?)

Remember, the 'brotherhood' you were part of was based on everyone in the collective obeying the leadership. Remember how you looked down on 'weak' ones? Remember how you strived, but were never quite good enough, to be the perfect Christian family, spouse, publisher? It was all by design.

Once your eyes were open, and you saw the reality of being in this organzation, you were nothing to them. The leadership cuts loose those they can't control. You're 'friends' ... your 'brotherhood', obeying the leadership, cast you aside. They cast you aside as so much refuse being flung from a car window at 80mph. They don't care about you. They care more about obeying than they do people, just as they've been indoctrinated.

Be thankful that you saved your family from that life of servitude to a religious cult.

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Why cant Judicial Committees be taped?

by HereIgo in

i have never understood this.

was it because of legal reasons?

i cant think of any other reason why it wouldn't be allowed, but i know the elders ask you repeatedly that you are not taping.

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I was gonna say, 'who says you can't? If you want to record, record. You don't have to let them know.'

But then I read nicolaou's comment (and link), and I like it.

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What's The First "Worldly" Thing You Did When You Exited The Cult?

by pale.emperor in

when you finally and officially exited the cult, whether it be by disfellowshipping, disassociating or fading - what was the first things you did that are considered "worldly"?.

for me, it was like crash landing on another planet that looked like earth but was completely different to the earth i knew.

i wanted to learn everything that i thought i already knew.. first things i did:.

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For me, there was no 'line in the sand' going from 'in' to 'out'. It was a gradual thing. And as a fader, sometimes it's little things that are actually experssions of rebellion or freedom. Like, leaving at the break between the Public Talk and the WT Study. Then it's skipping Thrusday night meetings.

I remember the last time I went in service, and I quit early that morning, and said to myself that I was never knocking on doors again, trying to sell religion... and I stuck to it. So in a way that was the first thing, even before I had made the conscious decision that I was in a cult.

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Contrast in styles - JW cart zombies vs. street preacher

by sir82 in

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friends

i work in a mid-sized us city somewhere east of the mississippi.

right in the exact center of the downtown area, at the intersection of the 2 primary streets, there is an interesting contrast of proselytizing styles.. on one corner of the intersection, a young guy has a handful of tracts from some "xyz ministry" or some such.

he belts out in a booming voice, every 3 or 4 minutes or so, "i have good news!

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Well, from my nonpartial observation, they're both to be avoided.

But, in regards to how they each 'reach out' to the community, the street preacher has been accepted as part of the scene, and since he is pleasant to those passing by, they in return are pleasant to him. I doubt he has a very high conversion rate however.

The JWs, OTOH, are reaping exactly what they sow... apathy. They stand by their cart, never speaking, never giving greetings or even acknowledging those passing by. But - they have become accepted as part of the scene, just like the crosswalk sign you have to step around to cross the street.

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WT 1/2017: "Why is the Bible sometimes misunderstood?"

by Schnufti in

the bible is designed to be understood by those who are humble and willing to learn.

jesus said to his father: “i publicly praise you, father, lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.” (luke 10:21) the bible is written in such a way that only those with the right attitude would understand its message.

people with a proud attitude—a common trait of “wise and intellectual ones”—tend to misunderstand the bible.

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The Bible is written in such a way that only those with the right attitude would understand its message. People with a proud attitude—a common trait of “wise and intellectual ones”—tend to misunderstand the Bible. But people who read the Bible with the attitude of “young children”—humble and eager to learn—are rewarded with a better understanding of God’s message.

They've been saying this for years. I remember as a kid, if anyone who appeared 'too smart' or 'too proud', older JWs would pre-judge them as unable to accept the 'truth'.

It's a combination of 1) confirmation bias - JWs are mostly uneducated, mostly simple folk, so in theirs minds, and as confirmed by the WT leadership, only the humble, uneducated are drawn to the 'truth' of the Bible and 2) a red herring argument - using the question 'why is the Bible misunderstood' to conclude, without evidence, that 'wise and intellectual ones' (or 'smarter than your average JW') cannot be drawn to the 'truth' of the Bible (or in other words, make good, obedient JW robots)

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Jesus walked into a bar...

by Slidin Fast in

he asks the barkeep for 13 glasses of water.

he turns to his 12 companions and winks....

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A priest and a member of his flock are playing golf. During the round the man missed a putt, 'goddam it! I missed' says the man.

The priest replies, 'my son, please do not curse in the name of god'

'I'm sorry, Father, it won't happen again'

A couple holes later, the man misses another putt. 'Goddam it! I missed!' Again the priest rebukes him and tells him, 'if you curse like that again, God will strke you down with a bolt of lightening'. Again the man apologizes and promises to never curse again.

On the 18th hole, the man misses a birdie putt to end the round. 'Godam it!! I missed!'

Suddenly the sky grew dark, black clouds formed. A bolt of lightening flashed across the course. When the smoke cleared, there lay the priest dead on the ground, his clothes singed, smoke rising from his dead body. A voice from the heavens was heard, 'Godam it! I missed!'