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Question about UN assoication

by pc in

the wtbs said they had to join to use the library is that true?

undercover

Watchtower January 1, 1979 Questions from Readers

Is it true that for religious reasons Jehovah's Witnesses may not become members of the YMCA (Young Men's Christian Association)?

?Yes, that is so. We have long recognized that the YMCA, though not being a church as such, is definitely aligned with the religious organizations of Christendom in efforts to promote interfaith?.?

??. Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called "Christian" association would amount to apostasy?.?

??. Thus, it is because of their understanding of what God expects of true worshipers, and of what the purposes and direction of the YMCA are, that Jehovah's Witnesses may not become members of that organization.?

Change the hi-lited line to read:

Hence, for Jehovah's Witnesses to become a member of the Wild Beast, such association would amount to apostasy?.?

If I, as a dedicated Witness, decided to join the YMCA, not for Christian fellowship, but to use the gym or pool, I am guilty of apostasy and subject to disfellowshipping, The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society can associate itself with the Wild Beast of Revelation, not for supporting the work of the UN but just to use the library and suffer no consequences for this action. Nor do they feel remorse, regret or repentance for this action. Aren't they guilty of apostasy?

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March 1st Botchtower - A "Slave Who Is Both Faithful and Discreet!"

by truthseeker in

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vomit alert!.

if you can possibly digest one of the worst study articles the society has ever written, you will see just how devious and manipulative they are with past and present truth.. the two studys articles are from march 1st, 2004 watchtower.. i'll briefly (if that's possible!

) summarize both articles.

undercover

"The faithful and discreet slave" cannot be one person. Why not? Because the slave began serving spiritual food back in the first century, and according to Jesus, the slave would still be doing so when the Master arrived in 1914. That would represent some 1,900 years of faithful service for one individual. Not even Methuselah lived that long!

Assuming the apostles were the "slave" in the first century and they eventually died off, who was the "slave" between then and 1914? According to this paragraph the "slave" will have continually have been "serving spirtual food" when the "master arrived in 1914". True, one individual cannot have 1900 years of service but the "slave class" could and would. Who was that "slave" before 1914? Before 1874? Before 1844?.

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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

Who knows? Maybe Brucejw, is actually a valid JW. Now wouldn't that be interesting !

Really. And because he dared to think for himself and speak his mind outside of what is deemed acceptable by the "group" he is ostracized and kicked off the site.

If this had been during the mosiac law days, they would have stoned him to death. Without proof or direction from a higher source.

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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

I was a JW on the boards for several years.. since 99. I have been admin at three sites and mod at others..

That's interesting. I just found out the other day Euphemism was "The Dan" of JWZone. So what the WTS fears is actually happening. People look on "apostate" sites and find out things that destroy their faith in the WTS. Inactive ones and already DFd or DAd ones getting together and bashing the WTS is to be expected, but to see people who were so into being a JW that they ran/admined/moderated JW sites and then slowly realized they were being duped is most exciting. Your experiences can help other dubs who are sincere but have doubts see that it isn't just the sex-crazed, demonized, paganistic haters of God who are leaving after learing the real truth about the "truth".

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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

somebodylovesme, my guess is they closed you out because they are monitoring this thread.. it probably took them a little while to figure out who you were at first.. When you wrote and questioned bruce, you put yourself out there.. They would have read all your posts to figure out your personality and then by temporary suspending you, and you are no longer pasting threads here, they figured out how they got you and won't let you back in. By your own words here saying you were temparily banned, they will know if they are reading they hit the mark.
Two/three years ago I used to be here for that very same reason.. I was assigned to find out who the apostates were.. it was pretty easy because they would be in here bragging about what they said.. and how they couldn't figure out how they were getting caught? well duh.. it is awfully easy to read over here.. even the private forum only requires you to sign up.. not post.

Okay, more hypocrisy. Brucejw was kicked out for having allegedly visited an apostate site, but the admin can visit an apostate site to see who's visiting an apostate site. How stupidly, insanely, paranoid can you get.

Sassy, when you say you were "assigned to find out who the apostates were..." what do you mean? I'm sorry I don't know your past. Were you on a witness board at one time?

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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

And brucejw is no longer registered
Bastards!!

LOL, doc. hmmmm, is your name bruce?

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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

How do they go about checking if you have been visiting apostate sites? I don't see how they can tell that by checking his ISP.

ditto that question.

How do they know he visited that "apostate" site? What if it's a work computer and somebody else used it? What if a family member is not a JW and they use the computer? What if he's using a public computer in an Internet coffee shop? Why the paranoia? Even the elders have to investigate before formally accusing someone of wrongdoing. Geez, this person is judge, jury, executioner and apparently God.

Here's what's so hypocritical about this mess. The WTS has over and over counseled against these sites being run by JWs, yet here they are, running one. And on top of that defending the corporation that, if they could, would shut them down for not following their guidelines. And then this person is so self-righteous that they think they can determine who is or isn't worthy enough to be an approved associate.

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You only left so you could do whatever you want

by Elsewhere in

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has a jw every told you that, or have you ever heard a jw accuse other's who leave of that?.

sometimes i wonder if some jws do not have a very dark side to their personalities... a blood lust even.

i have literally had them confess to me that they would be like a wild animal if it was not for being in the borg... even inclined to kill for pleasure.

undercover

Oh yeah.

I was told that I'm looking for faults in the organization because I don't want the responsibility of having to live up to what God requires from us. If I can find faults with the orgnization then I can fool myself into thinking that I don't have to live up to Witness standards.

It's my fault, all my fault. If I hadn't examined my religion when I had doubts, then I would still love Jehovah and his organization. I've let negative thinking push theocratic thoughts out and I have listened to the unwise ones who don't have God's spirit.

It's hard to debate any issue when a loyal dub resorts to that tactic. They can't open up enough to admit that maybe the WTS is not what they claim, therefore it has to be your/my fault that this news or information exists.

edited to add a bit about the "sinning" issue: I have known some that left because they just couldn't live up to the moral standards. Having premarital sex or other "worldly" desires was just too strong, so they gave up being witnesses to join the world in having fun. In essence that's what all JWs think all those that leave are doing by finding fault. We just don't want to live up to it anymore, therefore we find fault to rationalize to ourselves that we are right in leaving.

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Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-18-04 WT Study

by blondie in

"show yourselves thankful".

(psalm 133:1)(c ).

in what practical ways can we demonstrate that we are truly thankful?.

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As Christians, we have the responsibility of participating in the ministry and attending Christian meetings. These activities are not optional.

Out of all the Bible, how many scriptures pointedly and directly come out and say that Christians "have the responsibility of participating in the ministry and attending Christian meetings"? I can think of two scriptures that the WTS likes to use to prove that they "have to" preach and one scripture about attending meetings. Any others? The reason I ask is, if the God(thru the Bible) doesn't make too big a deal out of it, why does the WTS? (outside the obvious answer, "they need your money and devotion")

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Out of the Loop

by Descender in

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i'm here for an attitude adjustment i guess.

i'm 28 years old and i'm out of the loop.

i was a witness up until a few years ago when my wife and i faded away.

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On your wife's behavior:

Your wife's actions are not quite acceptable in a good marriage. A married woman that occasionally has a "girls night out" is one thing, but to regularly go "clubbing" without you is sign of something more. If you didn't mind her going out without you all the time, that's one thing, but if she knows it bothers you, she should limit her nights out. If she wants to go clubbing, then maybe it should be as a couple or as a couple with other friends most of the time. If she doesn't want you going with her, I would have to think she actually wants attention from people that wouldn't give it to her if you were there. She may resent any issues that you may be having and is looking for a way to forget them. If that's the case, it will take both of you to come to grips with both your and her issues and resolve them. All I can say is your being upset at her excessiveness in this area is normal and that both of you need to communicate about it.