Posts by undercover

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Adventures in counting time...or how to waste the entire day in service...

by TresHappy in

my jw friend was telling me the other day how many of her fellow jw's lie on their time reports...i jokingly said "doesn't everyone?

"..to which she replied...probably.

there were myriads of ways that are universal, but what about the unique ways in which you reached your goal?

undercover

Don't forget the RVs.

Four people in a car(or less). One has an RV on the east side of town.

"Darn. Not at home." "Hey. I got one, but it's on the west side." "That's okay, we'll get it." 30 minutes later, "Darn, said he didn't want em anymore." "What about you? you got any?" "Yea, over on the east side. Sorry I didn't mention it before." "That's okay, we'll get it anyway." 30 minutes later, "Darn, he aint home." "Oh, look. Times up. Gotta go to McDonald's."

Mini-vans were good and bad for service. Good points: Eight people to a van. Work out in the country. You might get two doors for the day. Bad points: Mini-van full of JWs pulls up in a suburban neighborhood. Eight dubs jump out. Looks like a SWAT team jumping out ready for action. "hut-hut-hut-hut-hut-hut" The service leader pointing in all directions as he directs the team to the doors. Dubs breaking up into teams of two attacking, er, calling on, each house within sight. Then, just as quick, they jump back in and speed off (well, as fast as a Caravan can speed anyway) to the next street.

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Would You Care If You Got Disfellowshipped At This Point In Time?

by minimus in

jw
friends

just wondering....

undercover

This is actually a pretty good question.

I'm sure that many will say they don't care if they do get DF'd or not. Many will say they already are or have already DA'd themselves. Then there's the slow faders. The whole reason for fading is to get away from it, but at the same time not get completely cut off because of family reasons.

My answer: Yes. I would care if I got DF'd. Two main reasons. I don't want to lose any family connection that I have. My family may be deceived by this religion, but they are still my family. I want to have association with them. Another reason (and this one becomes stronger over time) I don't want to give them that kind of power over me. If I choose to walk away, fine, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to allow them that kind of power over me. You'll notice that both of those reasons go hand in hand. To allow them that power means to allow them to cut you off from your family. I have decided that they are a false religion and therefore do not speak for God and I owe them nothing, including the ability to mess in my family affairs.

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JW Death

by Nosferatu in

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friends

i figured i'd post this.

me and my dad studied with him for a couple of years.. john william bodner.

peacefully, on monday, april 5, 2004, john bodner, beloved husband of verna, died at the health sciences centre.. visitation will be held on friday, april 9 from 7:00 to 9:00 pm at cropo funeral chapel, 1442 main st. a memorial service will be held on saturday, april 10 at 3:00 pm at the kingdom hall centre, 229 lakewood blvc.. longer obituary to follow.. .

undercover

The sad thing about when an older loyal JW dies is that they died without seeing what they've waited their whole life for: The end of this system and the new paradise.

I've watched all the older ones that I've known since I was a kid die. My parents age group is now dying off. I remember when my parents were critisized for having kids so close to the end and now they're dying and we're getting old.

Condolences on the loss. It's much sadder than the deceased's family realizes.

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Sports and JW's (allowing kids to play)

by confusedjw in

what are people's experiences here of jw's who let their kids play sports and the consequences for them?.

for instance did you know any kids who played little league or high school football or basketball?.

any canadiens who allowed their children to play hockey at any of the levels?.

undercover

I always thought that I could have made the basketball team. I played lots of pickup games with JWs and neighborhood kids and loved to watch the game and study different coaches gameplans(having grown up in the ACC and SEC area). But, of course I wasn't allowed to try out for school teams. Not even the intra-mural teams. I wasn't even allowed to go watch the high school games. I could go watch college games with other JWs, but not high school games. Go figure.

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hi everyone first time posting

by prgirl in

i have been reading the posts for a while now, and it has really helped.

i wasn't sure if i should post, but i have been so touched reading about other peoples experiences that i wanted to share mine.

i was never raised jw.

undercover

Welcome, prgirl

It's good to see that you've figured out the deal and that you can't do anymore than you have for him. Your experience can be of great help here. Many people post asking about how to reason with their JW boy/girlfriend. Hearing it from someone who has been through this situation is much better than hearing it from us that haven't been through. We may understand the JW religion better and why it f**ks people up, but only people who have been in these type relationships can understand them.

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How many rules are there??

by beaker in

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friends

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the ancient isrealites had about 600 rules in the mosaic law which they had to keep.. i reckon that jw's are expected to keep more rules than that.. what's your favourite??.

to start off how about...... you must not have a beard.

undercover

R-rated movies are a no-no. Similar to beards, it's not expressly written as a rule, but it is implied and enforced upon any of the JWs with privileges. I've known MSs that got removed for owning R-rated movies. Bethelites are not allowed to have R-rated movies in their possesion. If any are found, the accused Bethelite is kicked out.

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Hi and a question

by irishayes in

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friends

i have been lurking for a few days and wanted to ask a question.

i stumbled on this website because i have an aquaintance who is a jw and i wanted to learn more about this religion.. first off, let me say that i am a christian.. my question is this: in reading a lot of posts, i see that many of you have left the religion because you believe the wbts has not been truthful in their interpretation of scriptures and because of their incorrect prophecies.

but it seems many of you still believe that they were correct in their belief that the trinity is totally a wrong teaching.

undercover

You misunderstand Undercover.
I meant the "ruling body" of WBTS is going to have to answer for it. Not those who were misled.

Ahh, I did misunderstand. My apologies.

I think most religions will have to answer to God (if he should ever come calling). The WTS does not have a monopoly on misleading and deceiving people.

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Social Skills/Dating

by particlesnwaves5 in

jw
friends

i have a problem.

i am lonely as can be since leaving the organization.

my children are grown and having lives of their own.

undercover

Social skills and dating. Notice how so many JWs and now X-JWs have issues with this? Myself included.

As dubs our social skills growth is stunted by how the WTS teaches us about outsiders and worldly people. When you become an adult and you have to deal with non-JWs you look at them as evil somehow. You avoid mingling and meeting. The WTS basically comes right out and says not to associate with non-JWs, even at lunch breaks at work. Years of that influence is going to stunt your social growth.

Dating is wrong(as a young one or if not interested in marriage), so we really never learn how to deal with the opposite sex. Anything outside of theocratic conversation could be construed as flirting, and we all know how that's wrong. I never learned to enjoy dancing because dancing was only for married people(at least in my area). Evertime you saw a couple talking, rumors started to fly about the "next couple". Very puritan. Very damaging.

And now that we are out, we still have social skill issues. It's hard to just become an extroverted, fun-loving, people-meeting person, when for years we have made ourselves into introverted loners and never allowed ourselves into social situations. We have to learn the social skills that most normal people learned in high school.

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Hi and a question

by irishayes in

jw
friends

i have been lurking for a few days and wanted to ask a question.

i stumbled on this website because i have an aquaintance who is a jw and i wanted to learn more about this religion.. first off, let me say that i am a christian.. my question is this: in reading a lot of posts, i see that many of you have left the religion because you believe the wbts has not been truthful in their interpretation of scriptures and because of their incorrect prophecies.

but it seems many of you still believe that they were correct in their belief that the trinity is totally a wrong teaching.

undercover

I find it so sad that the WBTS has so disillusioned people that they are completely turned off to religion now. I believe they are going to have to answer to that.

And just who would I answer to for that? To God himself? I'll gladly do that. He can ask me anytime. If he was to do it, I bet he doesn't use any organized religion. Like I said before, organized religion is just man's way of controlling other men. Think about it, why would the most powerful being in the universe need to communicate through spokesmen who can't even prove they are God's spokesmen? What's worse, is, how do so many people fall for it? (Including me, for decades)

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If The Watchtower Allowed You To Ask A Question From Readers......

by minimus in

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friends

what would your question be?

undercover

Is minimus really one of the Governing Body members?