I don't... I do not think there is a "correct" version. My point is simply that the earliest christian writings in the bible speak of the many stories and false teachings out there. So after that to have 4 gospels written that often contradict each other, it seems naive to say they are inspired and all true.
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2 Cor 11:4 PROVES there were various versions of Jesus and gospels BEFORE the gospels
by yadda yadda 2 inthe gospels were written after paul's epistles.
this is commonly acknowledged by both apologist and neutural bible scholars.
yet we see that paul says clearly in 2 corinthians 11:4 that persons were preaching different versions of jesus and different gospels before the orthodox canonized gospels were written:.
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2 Cor 11:4 PROVES there were various versions of Jesus and gospels BEFORE the gospels
by yadda yadda 2 inthe gospels were written after paul's epistles.
this is commonly acknowledged by both apologist and neutural bible scholars.
yet we see that paul says clearly in 2 corinthians 11:4 that persons were preaching different versions of jesus and different gospels before the orthodox canonized gospels were written:.
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Comatose
Good job yadda. Easy to understand response. Even the book of Luke starts out saying there many stories of Jesus but he was trying to write his version... The point is, Paul wrote his stuff before the gospels were written. If even that early there were so many false stories out there that Paul had to warn about it, How could a reasonable person assume that the 4 gospels are fully inspired?
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Comatose
I had a panic attack when reading CoC. I couldn't breathe. I almost lost it for a minute. Really strange how you just know it's the truth as you read the book. My wife and I exited. I did screw up in getting caught doing a holiday too soon. I wasn't successful, but I was almost successful, haha. I know what not to do now. You sound a lot like my wife and I. Send me a private message. Maybe we can chat on the phone? I'd like to tell you my story and hear yours.
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God supported Neco instead of His faithful king
by opusdei1972 inif you read the chapter 23 of the book of 1 kings, you will note that josiah was one of best kings of judah.
he did many good things in favor to yahweh-worshipping.
let's read:.
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Comatose
Phizzy one of those verses actually says god was unable to defeat the mountain people because they had iron chariots. God can't fight iron chariots.
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Why do so many refer to Elders as "window washers"?
by adjusted knowledge ini know the society is against higher education and the pursuit of careers but in my experience the elders in the various congregations i attended had good careers.
in fact most had their own businesses.
thinking back of the boe when i was a teenager this is what they had as a career: two were respected carpenters who owned a construction business, one a high school teacher(he was the po), one sold insurance and was a lawyer, one owned a landscaping business and also hired sisters to clean office buildings and other accounts he had, one was retired, and the last was a janitor for the school board.
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I knew all types of the spectrum.
Wealthy PO/City Overseer who traveled the country coaching and helping companies make improvements and changes.
Wealthy multi-millionaire brother who was finally made an elder. He lives in a giant mansion in the most expensive place in the county. This house is over 50k square feet maybe pushing 100k.
One brother that was running 3 businesses at once at one point, driving super nice cars, building his dream home, leveraged out to the max! Then forclosure on the new dream home, loss of business, lost several JWs money as investments failed. Continued serving and giving talks about materialism.
Elder that owned and ran a video marketing and recording studio for country music stars. Worked with many successful artists. Even stepped down at one point to handle his business then was reappointed after about a year.
Many elders who live in upper middle class neighborhoods and drive much nicer cars than the flock they shepherd.
Several janitor elders.
Street sweeping truck elder.
Unemployed on government help elders.
Window washer elder. Yes, for real.
They are pretty much all over the place. The sheer hypocrisy of the rich ones giving talks on materialism is astounding though.
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Giving "Jehovahs spirit" credit for mundane, everyday things!
by BU2B ini am hearing this more and more and it is like nails on a chalkboard.
i hear it from the wt, from elders, from my parents and from jws in general.
this had to be jehovahs spirit!
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When I said I was moving from my place of birth and living my whole life. We put the house on the market and everyone at the KH all said a variation of "You know if your house doesn't sell, then it isn't Jehovah's Will. The house sold in 6 days... It was Jehoober's WILL!
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Most absurd thing I heard at the convention yesterday!
by Batman89 inbrother lett was giving the last talk of the day about what they supposedly accomplished in 100 years.
i was just waking up so im paraphrasing alittle(i was dosing off all day) anyways in his introduction he said.
"there is more evidence to prove gods kingdom on the earth is a reality than wind,electricity and gravity is a reality on the earth".
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3rd heaven? lolol
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Moving
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inthis is my half reason i canlt leave jws;s is i need them.. for now... the same elder that gave me $100 when m wife just gave birth... and helped me find our car.... helped me find guys to help me move.
moving from an apartment to a trailer.. but... as much as i love these guys as people i know they only help because they are witnesses.... .
i still need them for now.. if i ever can get my wife out of this it meansit's alot arder.. oh well.
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Comatose
Stop mooching and man up. It's not fair to take advantage of a good hearted person. I know it's hard and scary, but this is your self respect and morals here.
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Question for Atheists.. Did you gain a Greater Sense of Morality and Happiness?
by objectivetruth ini've heard some view points that state, atheists are generally more moral & caring for fellow humans, than are theists.. i'd like to hear some personal stories of life changes and quality of life after you became atheist.
i have a simple theory that may explain this.. i'll explain my theory if you'd like, after a few responses, as i really am interested in the personal changes that you experienced.. thank you very much, and i look forward to your stories..
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Comatose
You realize that the Book of Enoch verses you quoted, said some angel gave man ink and paper and taught them to write. But, the first writing methods were not with ink and paper...
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Your thoughts on demons, ghosts and spirits
by Crazyguy inas a jw were taught all about demons but i never had an incident.
my wife believes wholeheartedly says her family including her has had problems with them.
i have met people that even non religious people that say they have experienced a ghost or a spirit.
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No I don't... My parents have a demon story and its been embellished a lot. I do not believe. Ever notice Jesus never healed a mentally retarded patient, or a crazy patient, or a delusional patient? He did expel demons... Go figure.