Tec do you accept the evidence that shows Neanderthals and other early humans lived tens of thousands of years ago?
If not, can you briefly explain why, if so can you explain how sin and a ransom fit?
Comatose
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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WHy Have You Turned YOur Back On The Messiah
by cassuk11 inok so you got out of the watchtower society after discerning it was false.
what is amazing is how many have turned their back on the king or was it they had no faith in the first place and the spiritual food they received did not help them stand upon a rock.
jesus the christ your saviour is a living breathing being with emotions.
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Comatose
I'm not going to be able to read through all this. But in the off chance that OP reads this I will just anewer why for me.
Because its a fact that Neanderthals and other early modern humans lived. Which negates the original sin argument. Which negates a ransom as YOU understand it. So where does Jesus fit in with the humans who walked the earth prior to us? If someone had a logical answer to that, maybe I could feel different. But I can't put my head in the sand and ignore the evidence.
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Wt 2013 oct 15. KNOWING God is not about knowledge, it´s a conviction, LOL!!
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besides, claiming that you know god, is that a humble attitude?!
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Comatose
How enlightening and spirit inspired! You need to beleive god exists before you will have faith in him... Well no shit Sherlock.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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Comatose
Boy, that escalated quickly!
Ron Burgundy
tec is not able to see others points because she cannot conceive of a reality different than she experiences. To understand others opinions would be to acknowledge the possibility of what the say being true. I don't mean this as a slam or slight, just an observation.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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Comatose
I was thinking of the same analogy jgnat. Leap into space trusting. The disciples if they actually saw Jesus miracles didn't have faith. They had evidence. Like seeing the people in front of you jump from the cliff and not fall, but instead rise to heaven in gods hand. A leap into space with no evidence it will be okay is like faith. Seeing before hand that god catches all those before you is evidence. rambling a bit here.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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Comatose
Does a starving child in Africa have hope or faith that god will bring him a meal? The child being molested, hope or faith that god will stop the bad man?
In the end, it all ends up the same. Your hope/faith gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling, taking away some of the pain that life brings. You hear Jesus and you feel god.
But, the children mentioned above don't even have their hope anymore...
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The Organic ROBOTS of JEHOVAHVILLE
by Terry inthe watchtower society started out as a loose nit and totally independant agglomeration of customers who.
bought books and magazines.
what they did with them was their own business.
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Comatose
Yea I'd HIM to go get laid. No way she should help him out.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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Comatose
It seems to say in a way I agree with that they would have had evidence to support their belief. But there is a difference between evidence and faith.
If you read the second paragraph carefully it makes a few well thought out points.
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WBTS, hope your reading this...
by label licker inand asking yourselves if you can sleep tonight with your eyes closed!
you say your spirit directed yet everyone should feel spiritually content.
how sad that a ninety year old sister in a nurseing home(run by jws) has to call her relatives( now ex-jw's thanks to your new lightbs and our witnessing) to ask what is going on with the watchtower and how she is so confused.
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Comatose
Hey I didn't hear you were DFd. I thought they had no evidence! Wow. Kangaroo court.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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Comatose
Actually I'm pretty sure he did answer you. It's in here. (Pasted below)
As it pertains to one's belief in God/Jesus, FAITH isn't the unseeable item it represents (i.e. the spiritual realm, God, Jesus, Heavenly hope, etc), but is a visible SYMBOL that can be demonstrated to OTHERS that supports your claim of the EXPECTATION to receive the other promised item. That's exactly why the Bible says, "faith without works is dead": it's via one's VISIBLE works that one demonstrates their FAITH to OTHERS, where their actions assure their hope.
Faith ISN'T the HOPE (of going to Heaven itself), or the experiential perception of hearing Jesus' voice, or even vast crowds watching him perform miracles in 30CE with their own eyes: the former is UNSEEABLE, and the latter examples are NOT means to build faith, but DIRECT EVIDENCE to support belief. Jesus pointed out how FAITH is much more effective in supporting beliefs than direct experience, which is WHY the Bible places FAITH above seeing signs, etc. since his disciples showed their lack of faith EVEN AFTER watching him miraculously feed the crowds. Jesus was saying that watching miracles (signs) does NOT support one's BELIEFS by faith, but via KNOWLEDGE, a DIRECT OBSERVATION of the promised quantity. That's exactly WHY Doubting Thomas earned the chastizing nickname: he demanded to SEE PROOF. He's the example of the folly of those who are weak in their faith, and for a good reason.