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"God views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia"

by Yizuman in

warp wrote this on the forum......"god views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia, and that is a biblical fact.".

http://www.touchstoneforum.com/htdocs/dcforum/dcforumid2/81.html.

that's pretty sick coming from a jw in good standing!

waiting

Dear Uzzah,

Thank you for pointing out that Chris' statements about the technically correct biblical view of apostacy and of child molestation are correct. Biblical view.

In the Old Testament, men had sex with other men - did the virgin male have to scream? Nooooooo. Man having sex with a non-virgin? Nooooooooooo. But have sex with a virgin girl? SHE had to scream. Why? She was property.....thus, the man had to pay her father the 'bride's price."

Notice that the WTBTS changed that (many times) so that ALL women and NO men had to scream to prove their virture to God and Angels....and elders.

Lot offered his two virgins daughters to have sex with a whole town of men who were beating Lot's house down trying to rape two strangers in town. Now, if that's not child abuse, don't know what is. And then Lot proceeds to father the nation of Israel through having sex with both his daughters while drunk.

The concubine who was raped all night long by strangers......she staggered back home and died on her owner's doorstep. What'd he do? Cut her up in pieces & sent her to all offending tribes of Israel.

The list is endless. Women, children & slaves didn't have many rights. It definitely was A Man's Society. So, it makes sense that anyone who dared rebel (enter into apostacy) against the nation of Israel or their God Jehovah should be killed. Afterall, they invented their killing Male God, did they not?

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Bill Bowen On Laurie Roth Talk Show: Watchtower Funds Child Molestors

by studying in

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some watchtower worldwide work funds go to defend child molestors:

on the laurie roth radio talk show bill bowens notes i was in the courtroom of may of this year.

in which i saw two watchtower representativesone watchtower attorney and one service department person sitting on the side of the courtroom, where a man who was convicted of raping his two daughters, got 56 years, and they were sitting there defending his religious right to not divulge information.

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lol running man. I had to go back and see........didn't catch that first time around "16 of 34 states".

Monday comprehension and all that.

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

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first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

Yo Eman.

I've seen you - as forum assistant - in another thread - Minimus' lonnng thread where he asked it to be locked - and you said you couldn't see a reason why? And declined to do so. I thought it was a smart move on your part.

I'm in neither man's camp....barely in my own husband's. But I (as an outsider) see peculiarities on both sides....as neither man is perfect. And God Knows That Too. I suspect what you say about hidden agendas to have truth to it....but then I could do as Amazing demanded of IW - provide proof or your accusations have no merit.

I know there's all kinds of agendas that I don't know, never will, and don't want to. IW's thread was short, and if she hadn't been jumped on....it would have probably died swiftly, imho. But she was. If she had been told that if she started another thread at the time her original one was locked with similar thoughts (and no proof) that it would be swiftly locked also, I wouldn't have thought much of it.

But it's this thread that brought up the Forum Assistants' freedoms vs posters freedoms. Amazing started this thread to confront IW after Jst2laws shut her thread down. Why continue a discussion y'all don't want discussed? And then saying that they'll close the thread if they feel it gets "dicey." "Dicey" by who's viewpoint? Imho, by the other side of the discussion if we don't agree with the forum assistant.

Y'all have a thankless job. And in most things that are seen - do a marvelous job. It's just this one area I find odd. If moderators want to post as posters....great. But then don't turn around and threaten to lock that same thread if you're disagreed with. And don't use your authority to start another thread that's been locked - telling other moderators to not lock YOUR thread. And I know it would be cheap to say here "wish I could do the same." So I would never stoop to that low humor.

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ps: What IW posted was so low level in intensity, imho - that's why I think it was no big deal, but made into a big deal.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/56134/1.ashx

Why is this thread still going on......particularily in view of Simon's, Amazing's, Steve's, comments? This isn't the only thread against this poster with major accusations - but no proof. Why haven't the moderators asked for proof to be presented - or sent to them privately? That way the threads could be locked and the guy kicked off. But he's still here and the threads continue.

If there's no proof, why are the threads continuing against the guy - he's apologized twice now.

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I have something to say

by LyinEyes in

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i have my reasons for not saying much on this thread and i really think the warning was put out there and it is up to you to trust jes,,,,,,,,someone you have known a long damn time, or someone who has already been deceptive.

i don't want to say anymore,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, my reasons are very important to me and there may be some that may want to pm me about this , if i feel i can trust them , i will answer questions.

i will not answer some questions on this thread to protect a poster here whom i dont want to hurt , she is a sweet lady and he knows her well, i don't think she knows he is even on this forum.. you all know me,,,,,,,,,,, you know jes,,,,,,,,,,there is more to it than you think.

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There seems to be good old/new people on both sides............and it's being trashed out here on the open forum in several different threads.

I just got off Amazing's thread where Simon defended his moderators when they acted against someone putting up accusations without proof. Well............? Where are the moderators at least asking for proof? If proof has been presented privately, why is the guy still posting? If it's not been presented......why is he still being burned? lol - IW got a whole thread demanding proof.

Please give it a rest - the guy's extensively apologized at least twice now. So you don't trust him? Fine. Don't invite him to your house. Eman wrote about an xjw who used to come to his bbq's and STOLE things from Eman's house - and Eman was very specific about what items were stolen. Did Eman put his name up here to warn everyone of that thief? No. But he did put up a warning that we really don't know all the people here, and should use caution - even of people we've chatted extensively with. We see a semi-reflection of the real person....and it can be distorted.

Everybody's involved is angry/hurt - but will get over it. lol - like we ALL are the Most Upright People In The World here......and that includes me as being *not* of that class.

Live and Let Live. We're just people.

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Bill Bowen On Laurie Roth Talk Show: Watchtower Funds Child Molestors

by studying in

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some watchtower worldwide work funds go to defend child molestors:

on the laurie roth radio talk show bill bowens notes i was in the courtroom of may of this year.

in which i saw two watchtower representativesone watchtower attorney and one service department person sitting on the side of the courtroom, where a man who was convicted of raping his two daughters, got 56 years, and they were sitting there defending his religious right to not divulge information.

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I think a lot of jw's know that their donations for the "World Wide Preaching Work" go to support the legal efforts of the WTBTS.

We just didn't know that the WTBTS legally & financially supported some of their own child molesters.

Has anyone heard or read where the WTBTS legally & financially supported a jw child molesation victim?

No? Neither have I. What a crying shame.

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

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first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

Hello Simon,

I think people are losing sight of the important issue here and instead focusing on the rights and wrongs of moderation.

Would you like me to start a thread on it specifically - referring to IW's locked thread, then the next thread she made, then to Amazing's thread? Imho, then that fourth thread will fall into this same type thread - as that's where the argument Franz vs Bowen (on both sides) remains.

What is important is what accusations have been made and whether the person who made them is going to back them up or not.

I personally think the pattern of Forum Assistants who start - or enter into a discussion on a thread stating it will be discussed until they don't want to discuss it anymore - then it will be locked - as of some importance too.

I suspect not - we have had lots of these claims of "lots of evidence" and, of course, it never materialises. It seems some Silentlambs supporters think that accusations are proof enough. They are not. They are worth nothing and, if they are not followed up, just appear to be a cheap form of harrassment.

Well, I do agree that accusations aren't proof enough. If someone can't back up the accusations, then take them back down. But then, this - and all xjw forums - offer unproven accusations regularily.

Btw, how does one offer actual proof on a forum of an alledged action which might have taken place many decades ago? Or actual proof of another person's knowledge at that time?

And if one is in a legal situation.........that one shouldn't be presenting any proof in any open arena (unless lawyer approved).

Yannnnno, I think IW's thread would have gone the way of her threads to me, Farkel & a couple of other posters if other people hadn't gotten all in an uproar about this. Her thread would have quietly slid off first page.

If things can be blown out of proportion on an open forum.....they will be. - waiting

I do not want to see slanderous or libelous comments made on my forum and it will continue to be moderated as it has been.

Well, it's your forum - I just civilly disagree with you and *some* of the actions of your Forum Assistants. But I will always be grateful for the opportunity you've given thousands of jw posters to voice their opinions.

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

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first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

Hawk.......anytime you want to be adopted, let me know, cutie. I've always wanted a son who agreed with me 3 times in a row.....about anything.

It's so rare as to be remarkable.

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

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friends

first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

Hello Steve,

Naaaaaaaaa, I wasn't particularily calling you down - more like Amazing. Lol - and I value Amazing a lot too. But it remains - you locked the original thread down. IW brought it back up & so did Amazing.

I've read the thread you referred me to. One difference is....IW can't lock it down if it goes not the way she wants. You and Amazing can - and he stated just that.

I understand your thinking - and agree to the point that it's a complicated situation...but it boils down to:

None of us have to do anything - including Franz and Bowen.
We *should* be able to choose how much we do, or not do.
Speculation is different from information.
Verified information is totally different than information from a good source.
Verified information is totally different than legal evidence.
If things can be blown out of proportion on an open forum.....they will be.

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U.S. Admits it Faked Hussein Brothers' Deaths

by George W Bush in

(2003-07-25) -- the white house announced today that the u.s. does not really have the dead bodies of uday and qusay hussein, and the two are still on the loose somewhere in iraq.. .

"we showed those fake pictures yesterday in hopes of re-establishing some credibility with the iraqis," said an unnamed senior white house official.

"we just thought we had to do something after we lied about saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

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Hey Reborn,

Just making darn sure of what's going on here.................this was in your post under Jehovah's Witness Discussion.

It's there because I'm currently viewing the board, right?

I have nothing else to do with this discussion, except snickers at SS.

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Raymond Franz y www.atalaya.org

by Administrador in

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letter of raymond franz to the administrator of www.atalaya.orgdear sir:.

in all cases the violation of international.

international copyright laws are clear on this and show that literary.

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Well Hawk,

I'm just batting a 100% this morning with you - and it's Monday! But then, that means the rest of the week can only go down, eh?

Thank you, kind sir.

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