Many thanks for shring your story, I always like reading your topics and comments because you tell it like it is. That is something that i struggle with. Its amazing how much control the org had over my thoughts and expressions. So its a great help to me to hear real honest expressions about life in and after the org!
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Interview with an apostate. Punkofnice AKA Paul Jackson
by punkofnice intell us a little about yourself and your family.. i got married to another cult member and we have 3 children who are all grown up now.
the 2 boys are not interested in the jw cult (thank goodness).
when i left the disgusting cult my wife left me.. were you a born in or a convert?.
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The UN thing!
by awakening ini think the most damning evidence that the organization was fully aware of what they signed up to is the articles in the magazines in the early 90's.
these articles were clearly fulfilling thier obligation to provide evidence to the un of support for the un's goals and objectives.. i presented this information to an elder who was surprised by the content of the articles.
the response from him was astonishing!
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Hi Comatose,
some of the articles i reffer to are -
W95 10/1 page 3
g90 12/8 page 22
g91 9/8 page 8,9,10
g93 9/22 page 20
its amazing how these articles are worded!
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The UN thing!
by awakening ini think the most damning evidence that the organization was fully aware of what they signed up to is the articles in the magazines in the early 90's.
these articles were clearly fulfilling thier obligation to provide evidence to the un of support for the un's goals and objectives.. i presented this information to an elder who was surprised by the content of the articles.
the response from him was astonishing!
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awakening
Hi all,
I think the most damning evidence that the organization was fully aware of what they signed up to is the articles in the magazines in the early 90's. These articles were clearly fulfilling thier obligation to provide evidence to the UN of support for the UN's goals and objectives.
I presented this information to an elder who was surprised by the content of the articles. The response from him was astonishing! He said that whoever wrote those articles was a rogue writer in the organization and at the time these articles would have slipped past "quality control". He continued that there was a chnge in the writing committee after these articles, perhaps because of this rogue writer.
My response was that it is incomprehensible that so many articles could make it into the magazines without anyone noticing, and even if they did how is it that satan can contaminate gods "official channel of communication?"
The crazy thing for me was that he seemed to convince himself in a few minutes that this was the explanation, he was completely happy with this and was like Ok next subject!!!
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Can i be df'd for this?
by awakening inhi, i really need some advice here.
i was selected to play in a sports team representing the country i live in.
it's no big deal as it wont create any kind of major publicity.
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Hi, i really need some advice here. I was selected to play in a sports team representing the country i live in. It's no big deal as it wont create any kind of major publicity. I heard some rumblings from an elder that you could be df'd on the grounds of nationalism! Is that a possibility? Thanks in advance.
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If 1914 is wrong then how is it that it was such a landmark year?
by awakening inthis is the question that came up in my mind.
now dont get me wrong i know the dates from 607 - 1914 are rubbish, but how would you explain to a witness when they will automatically say, look at the momentus year 1914 was.
that is evidence enough that 607 is correct!.
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This is the question that came up in my mind. Now dont get me wrong I know the dates from 607 - 1914 are rubbish, but how would you explain to a witness when they will automatically say, look at the momentus year 1914 was. That is evidence enough that 607 is correct!
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My chat with an Elder about the UN thing! Help!
by awakening inwell it was a very long discussion.
the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.
in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".
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Thanks guys for all your comments. I know for sure this elder will not research the issue for himself. One comment he made was 'just think for a moment where this is going (long dramatic pause) if you find out that the society acted in an underhanded way then you and I are in a lot of trouble! It depends if you put your trust in strangers or in Jehovahs organisation.' I followed with a comment that we wouldent want to bury our head in the sand. He said that wasnt the point, the issue was a matter of faith. Then i realised the circular nature and futility of the discussion becausesuddenly we were back to my weak spiritual state! There is no winning!
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My chat with an Elder about the UN thing! Help!
by awakening inwell it was a very long discussion.
the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.
in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".
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Well it was a very long discussion. The elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course. In fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth". He felt that someone at the branch may have made a mistake and we dont know the details of how this will have been dealt with. We should however beleive that it will have been dealt with and the society acted in the correct manner when it was pointed out!
How would you respond? I know that all the elders will now be aware of my doubts so I will be sure to have follow up dicussions, he even offered my wife and I to join him and his wife in family study since i am spiritualy weak and Satan knows when to throw these tests of faith at us!
Help!
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Is claiming your baptism null and void an exit plan?
by awakening ini have read some of you talking about baptism not being a legaly binding contract as, for most it was undertaken as a minor.
has anyone successfuly nulled their baptism and exited free of consequence?.
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I have read some of you talking about baptism not being a legaly binding contract as, for most it was undertaken as a minor. Has anyone successfuly nulled their baptism and exited free of consequence?
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Is there any evidence of out of court abuse case settlements?
by awakening inhey all,.
just got into a long discussion with my "in" parents about the candace conti case, they knew nothing about it and are shocked!
i mentioned the out of court settlements in other cases.
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Hey all,
just got into a long discussion with my "in" parents about the Candace Conti case, they knew nothing about it and are shocked! I mentioned the out of court settlements in other cases. I am now worried that I have spoken without evidence or based on conjecture. I of course said all this info came from reputable web news reports? Can anyone help?
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Great crowd? How many witnesses actualy live up to society standards?
by awakening ini often looked around the hall and assemblies and wondered how many were like me, just going through the motions.
even when i wasnt awake i knew that if armagedon came i would not meet the standard for survival.
would it be fair to say that only half of all witnesses really feel up to standard?.
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I often looked around the hall and assemblies and wondered how many were like me, just going through the motions. Even when i wasnt awake i knew that if armagedon came i would not meet the standard for survival. Would it be fair to say that only half of all witnesses really feel up to standard?