Posts by wannahelp

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Is it LOVING to try and get JWs out?

by Sirona_Celtic in

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friends

first of all, let me make it clear that i have left the wts, and i don't agree with its teachings (mostly, the organisation presented as "gods prophet").. i have a few family members who are jws.

does everyone here think it is loving of us to tell them all the things that the wts have done wrong?

once they realise that the wts is corrupt, they experience.

wannahelp

Hi Sirona,

I'm not, nor have I ever been a JW, but I have a friend who is one..

I did alot of research on JW's because of him, and ultimatly found the "truth" about the "truth".. I've wrestled with your dilemna many times in recent months, as I wasn't sure if I should continue to show him things or not, as I believe he does have some "semblence" of happiness in his current state of what he believes is the "truth"..

My ultimate conclusion was to be his friend no matter what his choices are/were/will be. And, yes, it's very possible and probable that because I am a "worldly" person, that he will ultimatly break contact with me, especially now that he is engaged.. And if that is what he needs to do to be "happy", then that is a sacrifice this friend is willing to make..

He is well aware that I know alot about the religion, and in fact he knows that I have presented many questions to him that he cannot answer. (Two that his father, a respected elder could not answer either.. I can only assume of the ruckus that caused in the house <grin>)

So, deep inside I'm satisfied that he knows that I know "stuff" that may be detrimental to his belief system.. If nothing else, he knows beyond a shadow of a doubght that if he even brings up religion with me, that he ends up at the end of the conversation with more questions. I know that bothers him!!

But, being a friend to him means I don't push him.. He knows, and if he asks, I'll be here to tell him.. If he doesn't ask, then he knows I'll be here to help him in any other way I can...

Basically, I figure if his curiousity has become sooo strong that he needs to 'know' then he is ready to have the curtain lifted.. If he's not, then he won't ask.. And the only way I'll know if he is curious is if he asks...

And he has asked occasionally.. Nothing big, but you can tell he is thinking.. For instance, he know's that I have read both books by Ray Franz.. One night we were talking about the Governing Body, and why Ray left.. I told him that I know how he thinks the GB works (They think it's a 100% unanamous decision, and the entire body agrees with everything, when in fact, according to Ray, it's a 66.6% (2/3) vote).

I didn't tell him that he thought it was a 100% vote, but he asked how Ray said it worked... And I told him...

He has indeed 'walked' away on three seperate occasions from me, but usually within a month or so he finds some excuse to 'come back'..

And, like I said, I'll always be here if he needs me, as will I be for his fiancee...

Hope that helps..

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How do you deal with these Witness people?

by kevin221 in

jw
friends

please forgive my language in this post but i'm at my wits end and pissed as hell.

my name is kevin and my partner who was a poster on this board was jonjonsimons.

today jons dad showed up at our house.

wannahelp

Hi Kevin,

I'm sorry to hear what Jon's father did..

I take back all the stuff I said earlier..

Use every means at your disposal (legal) to rid yourself from this person.. He obviously is not in any way trying to help you, or even make a half-hearted attempt to pretend to care about the fact his son just passed away.

In their own words, he's a bad association... Use the law to rid yourself of him..

Sorry for your loss, and my thoughts and prayers are with you

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WT's UN excuse

by roybatty in

just a question.

what stops the boys in crooklyn from simply saying: "look, we don't know why so & so filled out this form to become a ngo.

we, the governing body didn't know about it and as soon as we did we removed outselves from association with the un.

wannahelp

Hmmm,

How can that be? Obviously an individual member of the GB can do things all by himself.. Wouldn't that violate the theocratic organization that was set up by Jehovah himself? I thought that is why they changed from a single president to a governing body years back.. This is very disturbing to me, are you sure he acted alone?

Also bring out the point that every year for the past 10 years they had to file papers with the UN to keep the relationship going.. So, even if a single person did break the theocratic order of things, the GB had to know about it from year 2 to year 10 when they resigned..

I wonder if a single person did the "resigning" or if the entire GB felt it was prudent to resign.. Hmmm, again, more questions...

Just my $.02

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The Watchtower and AES

by Kent in

jw
friends

before aes, the export system was paper-bound; expensive, labor intensive, error prone.

aes uses proven technology in a new way to address a significant problem with the export process.

it will contribute to a re-engineering of the way u.s. exports are accomplished.

wannahelp

Is it possible that they print all their propaganda material in Brooklyn, and then ship it out from here?

Maybe they just do alot of shipping...

I have no idea what they could be shipping other than "paper"?

I'll ask a friend of mine what AES is... (He's a shipping manager at a company that ships heavy machinery)

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Time-Consuming Side Issues

by comment in

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friends

check out this paragraph from the article "serve jehovah without distraction" in the april 1994 kingdom ministry:.

time-consuming side issues: some have got caught up in efforts to resolve common problems in modern society.

christians need to avoid becoming involved in the worlds endless debates over social issues or its futile struggles to correct injustices.

wannahelp

Sweet:

I wonder WHICH international organization they are referring to..

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Time-Consuming Side Issues

by comment in

jw
friends

check out this paragraph from the article "serve jehovah without distraction" in the april 1994 kingdom ministry:.

time-consuming side issues: some have got caught up in efforts to resolve common problems in modern society.

christians need to avoid becoming involved in the worlds endless debates over social issues or its futile struggles to correct injustices.

wannahelp

Ewwwww..

Where can we order back issues of the Apr 1994 KM..

First, let me get my popcorn ready.. This is gonna be good <G>...

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Make an informed opinion

by DazedAndConfused in

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friends

i have started an "article" about the wtbts and the un in the true wtbts format (i hope) before i go into anymore work and investigation i wanted your opinions as to whether i am on the mark as to their way of speaking or not.

"think for a moment, and reflect.........would you want to be part of a "society" of people who have pulled the wool over your eyes...........in effect lied to you?

let's take it to a more personal level.

wannahelp

Where are the numbers after each paragrahg and the questions to answer <laugh>

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'Apostates' are Victorious: a List

by metatron in

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friends

these are merely summaries, to the extent my memory is accurate.. others (freeminds, watchtower observer) can provide the exact details.. 1) awake publishes holocaust issue - projects image of what 'stand.

up guys' organization was during mass murder of jews.

article.

wannahelp

Just remember the saying, and then apply it to the governing body:

Oh lord it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way

It fits them!!! <G>

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MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

by hawkaw in

as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

the dpi is now taking them off the list.

the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

wannahelp

Hey,

Looks like we have both "covert" and "overt" action taking place..

HEHEHEHEHEHE

You will give us complete Bomb Damage Assesment later, right?

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

jw
friends

perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

wannahelp

Hey You Know,

does the GB know about the market getting ready to crash?

You better inform them, so they can liquidate their stocks into cold hard cash..

We wouldn't want any of that defense stock money of theirs going belly up on 'em

Oh, nevermind, I forgot the GB has a direct line to Jehovah on this stuff.. If HE hasn't told them to get out of the stock market yet, I can only assume that it ain't gonna crash anytime soon..

.. Waiting on the new light .. <hehehehehehehehe>