Posts by wannahelp

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On shunning

by joelbear in

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on shunning.. the watchtower basically points to two reasons to shun people:.

1) it will make the wrongdoer think about their course of life and help them to come back to "the truth".. 2) it will protect your faith in jehovah and will keep you from being stumbled.. i think there are really 2 other reasons.. 1) fear of being shunned themselves for associating with you.. 2) to punish you for not thinking or being like them anymore.

kind of a revenge thing.

wannahelp

Howdy Gopher,

You said:

"That verse you cited said "let him be to you as a tax collector or a man of the nations".

Ahh, that's what I thought the verse was that they used, which is why I asked where in the scriptures it says to shun people, because as you rightly point out, that scripture says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about shunning people!!!

Thanks for clearing that one up!!!!

ISP:

So, What scripture are you talking about that says to shun, and what other religions do you know of that practice shunning?

OUTLAW:

Just because someone that you thought was your friend turns out to be under the influence of mind control and does NOT return that friendship, how do you stop loving that person? More importantly, why would you want to stop loving that person?

How can you hold it against 'them' that they are doing something so awful and unscriptural even though they have been 'programmed' and aren't even aware of what they are really doing? I feel extreme pity for these people, and I love them even more.

I wouldn't know how to stop loving people that I consider my friends, and quite frankly I don't think I want to learn, either...

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Seventh Day Adventist Funeral

by Judith in

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i attended a seventh day adventist funeral today.

she was a really nice person that i had worked with some years ago.

she was kind to everyone, never a bad word about anyone, always willing to help, and didn't toss her religion down your throat.

wannahelp

Dunno, but I believe that the Adventists had alot to do with Witness Theology in the Russell years..

I think Russell stole most of his early dates from the Adventists..

So, I guess there are bound to be similiarities.. Would be interesting to hear if they do shunning, and cannot look at other material, etc.. like the witnesses...

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

wannahelp

Dunno about the JW predictions, but I do know that there are only 2 nations in the world that have NOT become member states with the UN..

They are:

Switzerland

and

Vatican City

(Got this from my tour of the UN last month)...

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

wannahelp

Hey,

bottom line.. Where and when is You KNow sending his check???

589

MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

wannahelp

"The WTS had to prove its loyality to the beast. I just can't get over that. Wow."

Sorry, once I stop laughing, I'll say thanks again Hawk!!!

589

MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

wannahelp

Mc says:

"the article is from - Awake ! 22nd October 2000 page 31 -"

Now that is really AMAZING!!!!

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PO VISIT and THE BLOOD ISSUE

by freeman in

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if you followed the thread i posted earlier about the po coming by to talk about my objections to their shunning policy, you know that the po had to cancel and rescheduled the meeting till next monday.

oh the busy lives of janitors.

my wife, the loyal dub also told him that i have a problem with the blood issue.

wannahelp

Hmmm,

Had to reschedule.. Hehehehe.. That's funny.. When he shows up, ask him if he owns a pet.. If he does, maybe you should show him where the WT suggests that pets could take away from Jehovah's work, by taking tooo much of his precious time.. After all, what would have happened if Armageddon happens between now and Monday evening and he wasn't able to straighten you out, and you don't make it through.. He, being the one taking the lead and seeing to the needs of the flock, clearly would have let you down.. He would be blood guilty

<ROFL>....................................

As for the shunning and blood issues, go get him..I think you should through a little UN stuff in there just to mix it up a bit <G>..

Good luck, let us know how it turns out, and I'll say a prayer for ya..

- Wannahelp

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On shunning

by joelbear in

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friends

on shunning.. the watchtower basically points to two reasons to shun people:.

1) it will make the wrongdoer think about their course of life and help them to come back to "the truth".. 2) it will protect your faith in jehovah and will keep you from being stumbled.. i think there are really 2 other reasons.. 1) fear of being shunned themselves for associating with you.. 2) to punish you for not thinking or being like them anymore.

kind of a revenge thing.

wannahelp

Hi Vita,

Ahh, I wasn't aware that he/she had personally attacked you.. Sorry about that.. I find it interesting that people need to resort to insults and such when trying to defend something they believe in.. To me, that's a sure fire sign that they really cannot logically defend those beliefs, but instead resort to insults, personal attacks, etc as to divert attention from the real issue... If he/she starts doing similiar to me, then I too will probably begin to ignore him..

ISP:

Where is it in scripture that it states to SHUN people??? I'm not aware of any scripture that says to shun.. All I'm aware of is to treat them "as you would a tax collector", but I'm certainly not well versed in the bible, so maybe it is scriptural.. I'd love to see the scriptures..

- Wannahelp

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Haz anyone tried this?

by moman in

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i havn't been to a "kingdub hall" for 2yrs, but for anyone still going would you try this & report back?

raise your hand during a regular meeting & ask,"why waz the wtb&ts members of the united nations for the last 10 yrs ?

" i just would like to hear their responce.

wannahelp

Fred said:

"Moman,
The WTS was not a member of the UN."

Then neither is ANY religion on earth, because religions cannot be "members". They can only be NGO's..

So, Fred, are you willing to admit that ALL religions are not members or in association with the UN?

Yes or No?

If the answer is Yes, then you are correct, your member comment is 100% accurate without any "double meanings", and of course, it would be hypocritical of the WTBTS to make any derogitory remarks about any religion on earth as to being members or associated with the UN

If your answer is NO, then you will have to admit that the WTBTS did exactly the same stuff as the other makor religions of the world, and as such the WTBTS would be hypocritical to make any derogitory remarks about any religion in relations to the UN from now on..

So, which way would you like it, Fred?

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AidAfrique, NGO, WT, UN

by messenger in

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friends

this was taken from the french jw website.

isn't it amazing what a library ticket will do for you when you owe $60 million in back taxes??.

http://www.temoinsdejehovah.org/aides_caritatives/aidafrique/actions/unhcr/dailymail.htm.

wannahelp

Messenger said:

"This was taken from the French JW website. Isn't it amazing what a library ticket will do for you when you owe $60 million in back taxes??"

Nooooo, that can't happen... It cannot be true.. If it were, then <gasp>, they would be materialistic, and wanting to save themselves money... Noooooooo, the WTBTS would never be materialistic!!!! <GASP>