Posts by wannahelp

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Please Help: Disfellowshipping--Scriptural View

by GinnyTosken in

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friends

i'm hoping you all can help.. an active jehovah's witness joined us in chat tonight and was dismayed that this site slams witnesses for trying to follow the bible in matters such as disfellowshipping.

this chatter feels that many people here complain about the society's policies without offering evidence that the policies are without scriptural backing.. i must be at work very early monday morning, so i could not stay in chat as long as i wished.

i told the chatter i would start this thread so that s/he could gather information and opinions from several sources.. in chat i was trying to present a point that i remembered from in search of christian freedom, about how disfellowshipping was meant to be a personal choice, not a decision forced on the congregation by a small committee.

wannahelp

Hey You KNow:

You said:

"He could probably get you people to believe that the moon is made of green cheese."

The GB just got new light, and said the moon was made of Green Cheese..

At least with Ray Franz, we can honestly CHOOSE to accept or dismiss anything that he says without FEAR of punishment.. If, however, the GB said to you that the moon is now made of green cheese, you'd have to either accept it or face the 'wrath of the GB'.. Of course, that is your choice.. (accept 'gods' word via the F&DS <gag> or be punished!)

- Wannahelp

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Please Help: Disfellowshipping--Scriptural View

by GinnyTosken in

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friends

i'm hoping you all can help.. an active jehovah's witness joined us in chat tonight and was dismayed that this site slams witnesses for trying to follow the bible in matters such as disfellowshipping.

this chatter feels that many people here complain about the society's policies without offering evidence that the policies are without scriptural backing.. i must be at work very early monday morning, so i could not stay in chat as long as i wished.

i told the chatter i would start this thread so that s/he could gather information and opinions from several sources.. in chat i was trying to present a point that i remembered from in search of christian freedom, about how disfellowshipping was meant to be a personal choice, not a decision forced on the congregation by a small committee.

wannahelp

Hi Venice:

You said:

"Who's EXAMPLE should we follow JESUS or the Pharisees?"

Well, that's just one more proof that the WTBTS is a modern day Pharisee!!! So sad they don't see it!!!!

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Why Not Render Your Gender?

by Englishman in

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ever been in a situation where you start to feel a certain affinity with a poster?.

i have, quite recently i began to take particular notice of one posters writings, and i thought to myself - 'that fella has got his head screwed on!'.

a week or so later said "fella" made a reference to her husband!

wannahelp

A lower age limit too..

You wouldn't want to be 'lumped' in together with the WTBTS for child abuse :-)

BTW: I volunteer to help you verify the women's 'credentials' :-)

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New Letter From WTS re UN issue.....

by ISP in

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yes just as we expected the next move by the wts in this mother of all cock-ups....... world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses .

25 columbia heights, brooklyn, ny 11201-2483 tel.

718 560-5000. xxxx november 11, 2001 no.

wannahelp

WT 1/15/2002

"Jehovah leads us to rightousness"

While carefully studying the scriptures, the Faithul and Discreet Slave found new instructional methods that will help in spreading our message. This message applies to all of Jehovah's servants. It is wonderful how Jehovah blesses us, taking care of feeding us the proper S.H.I.T at the proper time. All of Christendom is envious of our S.H.I.T but we know that Jehovah himself will destroy their churches, because they are not worthy of S.H.I.T.
(2) By examining the scriptures carefully, the Faithful Slave has uncovered another method of teaching, this a method that the congregation as a whole can participate in. The method, Cognitive Response to Apparent Persecution (C.R.A.P) is to be studied and applied immediatly, to protect our brothers and sisters from the evil influence of Satan the devil.
(3) All members of Jehovah's congregation will need to aquire CRAP literature immediatly. While we in Jehovah's organization DO NOT ASK for payment for our work, we would encourage all brothers and sisters to give any money as they see fit in our time of need, as we have to print new CRAP all the time.
(4) CRAP should be studied, memorized, and used on all occasions in dealing with worldings. No longer can we rely on 'theocratic warfare' to win our war with the world, we now must feed these implements of satan the CRAP they so rightly deserve. The elders of the congregation will be taking the lead in spreading this CRAP to you, and as with all CRAP, it flows downhill, so the responsibility of pioneers of all status is to spread the CRAP to the world at large.
(5) Isn't it wonderful that Jehovah has given us yet another sign that the great Tribulation is right around the corner. By allowing us to receive new light on SHIT and CRAP, we now further understand how close we are to the end times.

Questions:

1. Why will Christendom be envious of the true Christian?

2. What is the new tool that Jehovah has given us?

3. Does Jehovah's organization ask for donations? How does that differ from Christendom?

4. What older tool is being replaced by CRAP?

5. How can we be sure that we are living in the end times?

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PUBLIC AFFAIRS DEPT. RESPONSE TO UN ASSOCIATION

by lookin in

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i personally spoke to a brother who works in public affairs dept @ headquarters.

the dept was formed back in 1991-92 to help with media events worldwide.. at that time, the idea was to have access to current worldwide information.

this would allow brothers to assist and have a better grasp on worlwide situations.. however- many many in the group did not agree that this association should take place!!

wannahelp

Hey Lookin,

While you are busy answering OhHappyDay's post on the big thread, care to answer my post on the big thread as well?

Thanks in advance..

- Wannahelp

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Hi Lookin,
If that is the case, and there is NO justification for being involved with the UN, why doesn't the WT come clean with it's R&F..

If they don't, aren't they propigating a lie to the R&F, and in that case, just as guilty as the brothers that associated in the first place???

After all, if what you say is true, and there is no defense for them associating in the first place, and the WTBTS doesn't come clean, aren't they practicing a sort of "Theocratic Warfare Strategy" on their very own followers?

- Wannahelp

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Some thoughts on the "library card" d...

by Trevor Scott in

with its "library card" defense, the wts tries very hard to minimize the significance of their relationship with the un.

according to the wts, this was actually a very trivial association, analogous to obtaining a library card - something very non-political, and something most of their members will relate to (as library card holders) and view as quite innocuous.

most jws will have no difficulty dismissing this completely out of hand.. also, without actually lying about it, the wts implies that the "criteria for association" changed.

wannahelp

Hi sapo,

I didn't notice that you are new to the board..

A hearty welcome to ya!!!!

and no problem about the date.. No biggie at all..

Glad to see ya here, hope to see ya more often..

God bless you,

- Wannahelp

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A WTS lie for UN "association"

by hawkaw in

full deposit: publications and masthead documents in english.

partial deposit: publications in english.

wannahelp

Welcome to the board BASIL..

Loved your comments.. Keep contributing.. !!!!

Excellent..

My god bless you

- Wannahelp

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The Watchtower's Official Explanation of the Scand

by Kent in

[h3]here is the watchtower's official explanations on the un scandal![/h3.

the letter is, naturally - on the watchtower observer as well!.

yachyd da.

wannahelp

Hey Lookin,

I asked this earlier in this thread.. Do you have a comment?

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Hi Lookin,
If that is the case, and there is NO justification for being involved with the UN, why doesn't the WT come clean with it's R&F..

If they don't, aren't they propigating a lie to the R&F, and in that case, just as guilty as the brothers that associated in the first place???

After all, if what you say is true, and there is no defense for them associating in the first place, and the WTBTS doesn't come clean, aren't they practicing a sort of "Theocratic Warfare Strategy" on their very own followers?

- Wannahelp

100

The Watchtower's Official Explanation of the Scand

by Kent in

[h3]here is the watchtower's official explanations on the un scandal![/h3.

the letter is, naturally - on the watchtower observer as well!.

yachyd da.

wannahelp

You got it siegswife!!!!!

HERE HERE!!! <Raising coffee in a toast to siegswife>..

Anyone looking for truth will be able to see that a mile away!!!!

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Some thoughts on the "library card" d...

by Trevor Scott in

with its "library card" defense, the wts tries very hard to minimize the significance of their relationship with the un.

according to the wts, this was actually a very trivial association, analogous to obtaining a library card - something very non-political, and something most of their members will relate to (as library card holders) and view as quite innocuous.

most jws will have no difficulty dismissing this completely out of hand.. also, without actually lying about it, the wts implies that the "criteria for association" changed.

wannahelp

Hmm, the July 2, 2001 issue huh?

That's interesting..

I would have thought that the UN would publish it's yearly criteria for NGO's to keep their association (or become an NGO) at the beginning of the year, not in the middle of the year...

Oh well, you learn something new every day.. The UN now doesn't tell it's NGO's what is expected of them until the middle of the year they are in, if at all.. That's it, the UN doesn't inform the NGO's of updated requirements, because the WT was thankful this matter was brought to their attention... I guess they didn't find it out themselves, and obviously the UN didn't tell them about it either...

To sum it all up, the WT wasn't aware of the 'problems' until it was brought to their attention, and then they resigned in Oct 2001.. I guess the UN secretly updates it's requirements, but doens't tell any of the NGO's about the new requirements.. And it looks like the requirements are updated at the UN only AFTER the new year starts, as up until July, the WT was clearly still 'supporting the beast' in their publications..

Wow! What a shoddily run United Nations we have.. !!!