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  Is there porn in the wt-literature?

  by Carlo in

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  have a look on the picture in wt 1. january '97.. .

  this is the entire page.

  below is a zoom on the two men dealing magazines in the middle.. .

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  Jesus as Jehovah's physical manifestation

  by Rev BII in

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  isaiah 45:11thus saith jehovah, the holy one of israel, and his maker: ask me of the things that are to come; concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands, command ye me.

  45:12i have made the earth, and created man upon it: i, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens; and all their host have i commanded.. apart from calling jehovah one here, it says that god made the heavens with his own hands.

  jeremiah 27 says his outstretched arm.. note that the trinitarians switch platform in this situation.

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  The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

  In this passage, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are said to share one name (notice that the term "name" is singular, not plural), and that name is almost certainly Yahweh, the personal name of God in the Bible. We know this because the name Yahweh is applied to both the Father and the Son in the New Testament.

  Peter tells us, "David did not ascend into the heavens; but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, till I make your enemies a stool for your feet.’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified" (Acts 2:34–36). Here God is "the Lord" who speaks to "my Lord," Jesus. When one looks at the Old Testament quotation, one finds, "Yahweh says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool’" (Ps. 110:1); so here the Father is called Yahweh.

  In Philippians 2:10–11, we read: "[A]t the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." This is a reference to Isaiah 45:18–24, which tells us: "I, Yahweh, speak the truth . . . I am God, and there is no other. By myself I have sworn. . . . To me every knee shall bow, every tongue confess. ‘Only in Yahweh,’ it shall be said of me, ‘are righteousness and strength.’ " Here Paul applies the prophecy of every knee bending and every tongue confessing to Jesus, resulting in the prophecy that they will "confess that Jesus Christ is Yahweh." The stress on Christ as God is also picked up by the early Church Fathers (e.g., Ignatius, below).

  Jesus himself declares that he is Yahweh ("I AM," in English translation). In John 8:58, when questioned about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." His audience understood exactly who he was claiming to be. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

  With the personal name of God, Yahweh, being applied to both the Father and the Son, it is almost certainly applied to the Spirit, and thus to all three members of the Trinity.

  The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).

  The Didache

  "After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).

  Ignatius of Antioch

  "[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God" (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).

  "For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit" (ibid., 18:2).

  Justin Martyr

  "We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein" (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).

  Theophilus of Antioch

  "It is the attribute of God, of the most high and almighty and of the living God, not only to be everywhere, but also to see and hear all; for he can in no way be contained in a place. . . . The three days before the luminaries were created are types of the Trinity: God, his Word, and his Wisdom" (To Autolycus 2:15 [A.D. 181]).

  Irenaeus

  "For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit" (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).

  Tertullian

  "We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. . . . This rule of faith has been present since the beginning of the gospel, before even the earlier heretics" (Against Praxeas 2 [A.D. 216]).

  "And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (ibid.).

  "Keep always in mind the rule of faith which I profess and by which I bear witness that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are inseparable from each other, and then you will understand what is meant by it. Observe now that I say the Father is other [distinct], the Son is other, and the Spirit is other. This statement is wrongly understood by every uneducated or perversely disposed individual, as if it meant diversity and implied by that diversity a separation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" (ibid., 9).

  "Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, who are yet distinct one from another. These three are, one essence, not one person, as it is said, ‘I and my Father are one’ [John 10:30], in respect of unity of being not singularity of number" (ibid., 25).

  Origen

  "For we do not hold that which the heretics imagine: that some part of the being of God was converted into the Son, or that the Son was procreated by the Father from non-existent substances, that is, from a being outside himself, so that there was a time when he [the Son] did not exist" (The Fundamental Doctrines 4:4:1 [A.D. 225]).

  "No, rejecting every suggestion of corporeality, we hold that the Word and the Wisdom was begotten out of the invisible and incorporeal God, without anything corporal being acted upon . . . the expression which we employ, however that there was never a time when he did not exist is to be taken with a certain allowance. For these very words ‘when’ and ‘never’ are terms of temporal significance, while whatever is said of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is to be understood as transcending all time, all ages, and all eternity" (ibid.).

  "For it is the Trinity alone which exceeds every sense in which not only temporal but even eternal may be understood. It is all other things, indeed, which are outside the Trinity, which are to be measured by time and ages" (ibid.).

  Hippolytus

  "The Word alone of this God is from God himself, wherefore also the Word is God, being the being of God. Now the world was made from nothing, wherefore it is not God" (Refutation of All Heresies 10:29 [A.D. 228]).

  Novatian

  "For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it announces God himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called also God and the Son of God" (Treatise on the Trinity 11 [A.D. 235]).

  Pope Dionysius

  "Next, then, I may properly turn to those who divide and cut apart and destroy the most sacred proclamation of the Church of God, making of it [the Trinity], as it were, three powers, distinct substances, and three godheads. . . . [Some heretics] proclaim that there are in some way three gods, when they divide the sacred unity into three substances foreign to each other and completely separate" (Letter to Dionysius of Alexandria 1 [A.D. 262]).

  "Therefore, the divine Trinity must be gathered up and brought together in one, a summit, as it were, I mean the omnipotent God of the universe. . . . It is blasphemy, then, and not a common one but the worst, to say that the Son is in any way a handiwork [creature]. . . . But if the Son came into being [was created], there was a time when these attributes did not exist; and, consequently, there was a time when God was without them, which is utterly absurd" (ibid., 1–2).

  "Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine unity. . . . Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son; and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. ‘For,’ he says, ‘The Father and I are one,’ and ‘I am in the Father, and the Father in me’" (ibid., 3).

  Gregory the Wonderworker

  "There is one God. . . . There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything superinduced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever" (Declaration of Faith [A.D. 265]).

  Sechnall of Ireland

  "Hymns, with Revelation and the Psalms of God [Patrick] sings, and does expound the same for the edifying of God’s people. This law he holds in the Trinity of the sacred Name and teaches one being in three persons" (Hymn in Praise of St. Patrick 22 [A.D. 444]).

  Patrick of Ireland

  "I bind to myself today the strong power of an invocation of the Trinity—the faith of the Trinity in unity, the Creator of the universe" (The Breastplate of St. Patrick 1 [A.D. 447]).

  "[T]here is no other God, nor has there been heretofore, nor will there be hereafter, except God the Father unbegotten, without beginning, from whom is all beginning, upholding all things, as we say, and his Son Jesus Christ, whom we likewise to confess to have always been with the Father—before the world’s beginning. . . . Jesus Christ is the Lord and God in whom we believe . . . and who has poured out on us abundantly the Holy Spirit . . . whom we confess and adore as one God in the Trinity of the sacred Name" (Confession of St. Patrick 4 [A.D. 452]).

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  Do I convert for him????

  by butalbee in

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  i am going totally crazy without him in my life.

  i miss talking to him for hours on the phone, i miss spending time with him, i miss being a part of his life.

  it was my decision to end things, and i know he still wants to be with me, but i am still torn to pieces.

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  "Do I convert for him????" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! OUTLAW is telling you like it is. run away

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  Sunday morning call

  by willy_think in

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  well, i made my first communion today.

  it felt great to share in the sacrifice and to participate fully in the mass.

  all these years with my farther putting down the church and praising the wt.

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  well, i made my first communion today. it felt great to share in the sacrifice and to participate fully in the mass. all these years with my farther putting down the church and praising the WT. well i knew the WT was not for me and that left me with out any religion or belief at all. any way when i got right down to it the Question is: first cause of first effect? I went with first cause. then it's Christian or not. I chose Christian then it's the church Christ founded or not. I chose the one he founded. it should be a happy day for me but my old man called to rip me a new asshole. (like I need his approval) I felt deeply sadden by his anger and at how lost he is to me and to Jesus. I can only pray for my brothers, may God save them from mad men. I don't know why I typed this, it don't matter. he don't call me ever, till his spy gets word to him then it's the hand of the WT reaching out to squeeze my hart again.
  Billy

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  Dubs can see lord of rings,not harry potter

  by gumby in

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  interesting how the witnesess once again show a double set of standards with the watching of these two movies.

  harry potter is a definate no no, but watching lord of the rings is ok.. both movies have wizards.

  anyone noticed this?

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  I don't know if you guys are familiar with J. R. R. Tolkken or the lord of the ring but he was a Christian and wrote from a Christian perspective. There is good and evil portrayed in the books and the movie but the victory of good over evil parallels Christian beliefs. I would not hesitate to say that these books will be considered among the most important literary works of the 20th century.
  Bill

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  The Noble Fight

  by ChuckD in

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  yadirf and you know prepare to attack the apostate hordes.

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  Jah's warriors survey the apostate front line.
  

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  Suicide Is Painless

  by TheRecordCollector in

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  through early morning fog i see, visions of the thing's to be,.

  the thing's that are witheld for me, i realize that i can see,.

  the game of love is hard to play, .

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  once i lived
  once i died
  once a mocking bird cried

  in the eye of the storm
  i hide
  all those feelings
  forbidden by pride

  out of this i have risen
  high above
  my home made prison

  Billy 1985

  RC,
  i understand. mail me if you want, i'll give you my # if you need to talk.

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  Sorry if I was rude

  by kevin221 in

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  sorry to everyone if i was rude in chat or in posting tonight, excepct for that poster "no censorship" who should be shot on sight.

  my dad passed away today and i am oh so tired of people dying on me this year.

  i don't say this to make an excuse, i just wanted you all to know.

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  willy_think

  kevin,
  You don't need to be sorry, you need to be free, free to be happy, sad even rude.
  The fastest way out of the house of mirrors is with a hammer but it makes a mess. We can clean it later, we will be here to help.
  Billy

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  Greed Blinds JW Elder To Planned Suicide

  by MadApostate in

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  investigation continues into deaths of man, woman found in waco motel.

  by paul monies .

  tribune-herald staff writer.

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  joelbear,
  "extremely odd scenario".......i couldn't agree more.

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  He passed away last night.

  by ashitaka in

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  i was in a bookstore trying to forget the day when my father called me and told me that my grandfather had died.

  he had passed only five minutes after we had left.. someone else was wondering what happens when we die.

  well, i was reading the chronicles on narnia (something i do when i'm feeling a little lost), and something at the end of the last battle caught me eye.. "the term is over: the holidays have begun.

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  willy_think

  ashitaka,

  I would like to add my condolences. i wish there was somthing i could say.

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