as a few of you know, i almost became a jw just a short time ago.
thankfully, i did not.
the dateline piece was done well and should only be the start of the destruction of this elitist holy club.
imissthedub,
don't expect too much from these people, I've been around my JW family most of my life, but never baptized, they shun me and because I was never baptized the X-JWs shun me too, never a JW you see. Most people like us don't last on this bord, I've seen them come and go. I hope you stay.
Will
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i've only just been told of a case of suspected child abuse at the local hall.. the child (aged 4) was alone with the abuser.
she told her mother, who told the elders.
the elders and mother immediately informed the police, despite the fact that there was only one witness - the child.. then the elders proceeded to inform families in the congregation so that they can be on their guard.
Just wondering what everyone thinks should be done if there is suspected child abuse. We tell the WTS that the 2 witness rule is wrong, then we tell them that doing something is wrong.
Sirona
The elders are NOT a going to help you. Go to the police and a conusor. Even if you can't PROVE his/her gilt in this one case, it will help in any future cases against the perp.
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ok, on one yahoogroup i'm on there's been an amazing 2 responses.. 1. a link to the jw media site on 2 witnesses (prolly a new addition no doubt).
2. a comment about the fact that the girl (erica?
) was wearing a cross so she couldn't be a witness.
2. A comment about the fact that the girl (Erica?) was wearing a cross so she couldn't be a witness.
What if she was dead, in a prime grave, shaped like a copy of the tomb of the old gods, marked with a cross and a crown, Couldn't she be a witness, like another I know?
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well, it seems that in many areas, the elders have been meeting alot more than usual this weekend.. abnormal times for elders to meet that is.
and long meetings.. i wonder what that's about?
Looks like the WT spin doctors are finished mixing up the facts. Time to force feed this strange brew down the elders throats. With any luck the elders will regurgitate it correctly. I would love to be a fly on the wall this weekend.
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yesterday i had the chance to visit with reborn and he graciously shared some of his research with me.
out of all the things that he presented one of the most shocking for me was the wts involvment with the un.. i had been previously aware that the wts was registered for 10 years as an ngo.
however they made the claim that they were not aware that one of the requirements of being an ngo was that they needed to publish information that cast a favorable light on the un.
Leander,
Old news well hidden is not much deferent from new news. you understand if the WT was aware of that criteria, there would necessarily be issues (one per year) that kiss the UN's collective ass, these issues would be sent to the UN to show that the WT IS meeting it's obligation as a NGO, if they didn't know there would be no magazines praising the UN and no WTs on file as documented support for the UN. if you look you will find the evidence of the WT meeting there obligation as a NGO.
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I think the elders did arrive.....they were just invisible. Ye of little faith......ISP
LOL...Jesus that was funny.
I agree with the people who are speculating that the call to back off came from the legal department. There going to need some teem meetings to come up with a better spin, the usual storm trooper intimidation tacit isn't going to work in this case.
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christendom teaches that there are three persons in one substance.
yet there is not three gods but one god.
what could be more unscriptural and illogical?
There is only one God "Jehovah"......... well....... oh ya........ then there is the other one, Jesus.... hum
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this fact appeared as a rumor on this board some time.
ago.
i can confirm it, as i once saw it with my own eyes.. a c.o.
Very, very tight control.
I agree battman. i would argue that everything the WTB&TS does cane be traced back to just that. I also agree they are not only monitored but graded, too much straying and your gone, read well and present the correct image, more privileges.
The carrot and the Whip, always the carrot and the whip.
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i still cannot believe i found this site.. there are so many people here that sound so much like me (except.
the whole lesbian thang!
i love you all who hang in there by being out!.
i come here for all the lesbians. ;)
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so with all the writers around during,and after jesus time....who decided which books would be part of the bible?.
did god say...."i want his book, and his book and...let's see....his book....,to be part of my word.
is that how it happened?
Hi gumby,
i thought i would respond to your thread, i really have nothing to add to bluesapphire's explanation. it's more personal to me as a pivotal point in understanding Christianity and my journey to my lord and God. at one point i accepted the bible as inspired by God, Why? honestly, because someone i respected and trust told me it was just like EVERYONE who believes in the bible. i felt a great need for a personal relationship with Jesus, i read the bible over and over old and new together flipping back and forth. when i realized everyone who thinks the bible is inspired thinks that based on the authority of the catholic church. i had to ask who the hell these people were who took books out of it? do i recognize there authority, i couldn't and don't. that meant more books to read, so i read them and came to believe the books were cut because they teach catholic doctrine. At the same time i read the church fathers, Martian Luther and Calvin if you haven't read the church fathers yet i think it's time you did. any way i came to understand Jesus didn't give us a book, he gave us a Kingdom on earth he, gave us the Church, the church gave us Tradition of which the bible is a very important part. i read a lot of twisted posts as to the nature of the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, it is a tuff one to get your head around. but when i came to understand, i had such a hunger for that sacrament, for the ultimate personal relationship with the lord. i soon came to believe that the Church was founded by Jesus and i received the sacraments of reconciliation, first communion and conformation. for me it was a no brainier i believed in Jesus, so i believed in the bible, so i believed the church had the God given authority to proclaim inspired scripture, so i believed the church was the one founded by Jesus and the one the gates of hell could not prevail over, so i couldn't run from it any more.
There is an old saying, that at least in my case is true: how do you make a man catholic? You get him to stop hating the church.
After all, even the bible allows that god could be all things to everyone.i don't think it dose allow that. ex: God is not the source of hate and can't be for anyone.
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