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Did Jesus Sin?

by KJV in

have you ever wondered why god dealt with man up until the first century c.e.

and then for the last 2,000 years we haven't heard from him?

could it be that god is upset with mankind for killing his son?

willy_think

KJV,

This scripture raises some questions. Did Jesus really say "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?", or did the author of Mark take this from Psalms 22 and insert it?

"fore score and seven........"
"one small step for......."
"We the people....."

Bringing a concept to mind by reciting the first line of the peace was in common practice at the time of Christ as it is today. Jesus was the Teacher

How could Jesus crying out that his "God has forsaken him" or "abandoned" him be a victory song?

it is the first line of a victory song. I'm not sure I understand the question, you know that Jesus won, that his death on the cross was a victory don't you? he did.

It would seem to me that if Jesus really said this he felt God was through with him.

I'm so sorry you feel that way. It seems as if you think Jesus lost faith in his Farther before his work was completed. he didn't

The Great and Powerful Oz:

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Did Jesus Sin?

by KJV in

have you ever wondered why god dealt with man up until the first century c.e.

and then for the last 2,000 years we haven't heard from him?

could it be that god is upset with mankind for killing his son?

"father, why hast thou forsaken me?"
I would have to say he was calling his witness to remember this victory song:
(RSV, Psalms 22)
1 To the choirmaster: according to The Hind of the Dawn. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning? 2 O my God, I cry by day, but thou dost not answer; and by night, but find no rest. 3 Yet thou art holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel. 4 In thee our fathers trusted; they trusted, and thou didst deliver them. 5 To thee they cried, and were saved; in thee they trusted, and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm, and no man; scorned by men, and despised by the people. 7 All who see me mock at me, they make mouths at me, they wag their heads; 8 "He committed his cause to the LORD; let him deliver him, let him rescue him, for he delights in him!" 9 Yet thou art he who took me from the womb; thou didst keep me safe upon my mother's breasts. 10 Upon thee was I cast from my birth, and since my mother bore me thou hast been my God. 11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near and there is none to help. 12 Many bulls encompass me, strong bulls of Bashan surround me; 13 they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax, it is melted within my breast; 15 my strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaves to my jaws; thou dost lay me in the dust of death. 16 Yea, dogs are round about me; a company of evildoers encircle me; they have pierced my hands and feet-- 17 I can count all my bones--they stare and gloat over me; 18 they divide my garments among them, and for my raiment they cast lots. 19 But thou, O LORD, be not far off! O thou my help, hasten to my aid! 20 Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog! 21 Save me from the mouth of the lion, my afflicted soul from the horns of the wild oxen! 22 I will tell of thy name to my brethren; in the midst of the congregation I will praise thee: 23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! all you sons of Jacob, glorify him, and stand in awe of him, all you sons of Israel! 24 For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; and he has not hid his face from him, but has heard, when he cried to him. 25 From thee comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him. 26 The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the LORD! May your hearts live for ever! 27 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him. 28 For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations. 29 Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive. 30 Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation, 31 and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he has wrought it.

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A little to late, and Amazing Re: annulments

by Yadira Angelini in

jw
friends

a little to late, and amazing re: annulments.

i apologize to all of you who responded to my 'craving for attention' post for not responding on time.

i was to sick and it's kind of late now to give all the responses.. you certainly gave me the courage to even post again and i already know it's ok if i don't get responses, i'm healed, (you help).. i started to compose a line to each of you, but just know that i love you and i appreciate what you did to me: get confident on the forum and post and practice.. to amazing, willy_think responded to your questions about the annulments and she did a good job.

willy_think

Hi Yadira Angelini,

MavMan is in the unfortunate position of choosing people or truth. He could fool himself into thinking that believing in God means belief in the WT or, he could choose to "live the lie" for his loved ones, or he could choose to get new loved ones.

In order to be reinstated he seems to be trying to convince himself of the WT's "truth," unfortunately I too can see, he is not sincere in his beliefs. In the end it will be leave or live the lie, not a simple process and a long road to walk alone. Go easy on MavMan it's lose/lose situation for him.

here are a few of his Quotes:

You are right. I certainly am not happy about being shunned, but I also see how it has helped me come to my senses. After being disfellowshipped, I have abandoned my sinning path. Now I see the value of being inside the organization and I miss the loving friends that I've lost. Shunning is the strongest form of discipline. In my case, it is what I needed to wake up and brake free from Satan's hold.

I believe I am parroting Jehovah God when I say that discipline has lead me to stop serious sinning. In my case, maybe not in all cases, but in my case being disfellowshipped and alone has helped me. Now instead of relying on the friends, I am relying completely on Jehovah.

I have not decided to clean up my life because I was disfellowshipped, but because I love Jehovah and I want to please him. But how did I realize this? Because the disfellowshipping was such a shock to me that it made realize what is more important.

As a baptized Witness, you entered a pact with Jehovah. Why can't the US just let John Walker Lindh go by saying: ``we regret your decision and would hope you reconsider at a future time?''? Because he is a traitor in the eyes of the US government. Apostates are traitors in the eyes of JWs. Therefore, they are disfellowshipped.

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cheer me up

by flower in

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friends

i know its shamelessly and selfish to post but i'm really depressed.

someone pls try to cheer me up?

tell me a joke or something?

willy_think

I love you, you love me, were best friends like friends should be. With a grate big hug and a kiss from me to you, wont you say you love me to?

My bologna has a first name that's O-s-c-a-r my bologna has a second name that's m-a-y-e-r. I like to eat it every day and if you ask me why I say___ cause Oscar mayer has a way with b-o-l-o-g-n-a.

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YouKnow, this ones for YOU! :)

by 2SYN in

sorry, i would have posted this as an addition to this thread:.

(youknow and his bad associations).

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/post.asp?id=270923&method=reply&site=3.

willy_think

Remember this: steel doesn't melt easily. When it flows, the heat sort of distributes itself and you land up with a lot of very hot, but still physically strong, metal. Not hot toffee like the people on CNN were saying!.

As a commercial carpenter I help build high rises in Boston, and I can tell you for sure that, this is not a true statement steel I-beems will lose there structural integrity with heat just like that. in fact the rapid lose of structural integrity is the only reason we can't use it in residential construction. Wood framed houses will last much longer in a serious fire then a steal frame.

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Another Family With JW Ties Murdered in Oregon

by Monica in

jw
friends

i just saw this in the news this morning.

a father killed his family and them himself.

this happened in mcminnvile, oregon just outside of portland, oregon.

willy_think

Eternal rest grant to them, O lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May they rest in peace. Amen.

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Jesus' Sword

by JosephAlward in

im reposting here an argument that appeared in november, 2001, which received little in the way of meaningful rebuttal.

perhaps rwc and other die-hard inerrantists on this forum will be able to show why we shouldnt believe that matthews claims are ridiculous.. here it is:.

the author of the matthew gospel was by far the most unreliable of the bibles writers, as evidenced by his appalling lack of understanding of the old testament and his willingness to imagine that it was filled with prophecies of the coming savior.. .

willy_think

"Think not that I am come to send peace", temporal peace and outward prosperity. they thought the Christ came to give all his followers wealth and power in the world. "no,"' says Christ, "I did not come with a view to give them peace; peace in heaven they may be sure of, but not peace on earth." Christ came to give us peace with God, peace in our consciences, peace with our brethren, but "in the world ye shall have tribulation".,

They mistake the design of the gospel, those who think their profession of it will secure them from, for it will expose them to trouble in this world. If all the world would receive Christ. there would then follow a universal peace, but while there are and will be so many that reject him (and those not only "the children of this world", but "the seed of the serpent" ), the children of God, that are called out of the world must expect to feel the fruits of their enmity.

Look not for peace, but a sword, Christ came to give the sword of the word, with which his disciples fight against the world, and conquering work this sword has made (Rev. 6:4; 19:21),

and "the sword of persecution", with which the world fights against the disciples, being cut to the heart with the sword of the word (Acts 7:54) and tormented by the testimony of Christ’s witnesses (Rev. 11:10) and cruel work this sword made. Christ sent that gospel, which gives occasion for the drawing of this sword, and so may be said to send this sword; he orders his church into a suffering state for the trial and praise of his people’s graces, and the filling up of the measure of their enemies’ sins.

Look not for peace, but division; I am come to set men at variance. This effect of the preaching of the gospel is not the fault of the gospel, but of those who do not receive it. When some believe the things that are spoken, and others believe them not, the faith of those that believe condemns those that believe not, and so, they have enmity against them that believe.

the most violent and implacable feuds have ever been those that have arisen from difference in religion; no enmity like that of the persecutors, no resolution like that of the persecuted. Thus Christ tells his disciples what they should suffer and these were hard sayings. if they could bear these, they could bear any thing.

"a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household."

They are here told from whom, and by whom, they should suffer these hard things.

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The Bible a reliable book!

by Truth Defender in

despite the failings of many who claim to follow the bible and believe it, this gives no excuse to dismiss it's contents.

thru the centuries it has proved reliable and remains the word of god despite all else.

willy_think

the bible is inspired because the bible said it is inspired because the bible is inspired. circular argument

The bible is inspired because willy_think said it is inspired because the bible is inspired. Lack of authority.

Both statements are untrue. There exists a historical fact that the bible was assembled and declared an inspired book by the Church.

What is in debate is: did this Pope and counsel have the Christ given authority and the holy sprite's protection from error needed to declare the bible inspired?

I find that often when people say the bible is "true" they are saying the Bible is to be understood as a historical document that we should intrepid literally. I believe this is a big mistake, by insisting on a literal interpretation of the bible we place it in a cage of events sealing up the deeper meaning of the stories. The bible is useful and helpful in the teaching us that there is a new law of love and salvation is through the Christ. It's not the beginning and the end, if we put it in that place, we usurp Jesus HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END. the bible is a useful and helpful book declared inspired by the successors of the apostles.

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Jesus second return

by Smitty in

how many people believe jesus returned in the first century?

for those that don't, why not?

willy_think

Smitty,
Do you believe Jesus returned in the first century? If so, why?

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Occult pictures in JW books?

by happy man in

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friends

my 19 year old son show me a site on internet where they show a lot of pictures from our books, and if you look very carfully you can see ddifrent ocult signs, or perhaps guess it is something like this, someone here who have knowlege of this things here, it was new for me, and very confusing, perhaps i give you the link later.

willy_think

*church lady asks*
"what is the JW woman in willy_thinks pic invoking,
could it be Satan"?

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