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  "Growing to perfection"

  by DS211 in

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  ok i know ive been starting threads like a maniac but heres one.

  where in the heck d they get the "when we survive armageddon we will probably have to start rebuilding while we resurrect ones, teach them, plant food, clean the planet, and grow to perfection"????

  doesnt the scripture say that we die corrupted but raised an incorruptible body?

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  wokeup

  Here's a thought. Would it be righteous on Gods' part to resurrect people imperfect so they could grow to perfection? In effect,

  instilling Adamic sin into their new bodies? On the other hand, can you picture a post apocalyptic world where imperfect 21st century survivors

  are in charge initially of perfect asexual resurectees who's ancient knowledge and lifestyles are presumably restored into their

  memory banks? Perhaps useful in a machineless primitive paradise earth? Is this God's plan of salvation?
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  Not Forsaking Christian Gatherings

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  at the meeting this week, there was a part about placing our trust in jehovah and not worrying about food and shelter (mat 6:33).

  the part was based on the 2013 yearbook p138 and 139 where there were two examples:.

  a family went to their convention leaving their chickens unattended for a number of days, worried about if they would survive.

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  Fernando, Witnesses are just following Jesus' command to build religious edifices and dedicate them to their diety.

  Also, he commanded his followers to wear their finest garments at those buildings in imitation of Jesus' example of humility.

  And last, when Jesus sent them out in pairs, he instructed them to also wear fine garments and carry scrolls and read them

  so as not to draw attention to themseves. Witnesses always strive to follow the first century examples set before us.
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  I thought baptism was a dedication to God

  by irondork in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this description, unless the elders determine that you really want to be a member of the watchtower corporation, then you are not worthy of dedicating your life to god.. .

  w98 3/13 dedication and freedom of choice p.17 par.18.

  before a person can qualify to become one of jehovahs witnesses, he must meet scriptural qualifications.

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  There are no scriptures in the NT that state 'dedication' is a pre-requisite for Christian baptism.

  Nor 'living up' to that 'dedication' is God's plan of salvation;

  Sounds good, feels good but deflects from what Christ did for humankind.
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  So what IS wrong with higher Education?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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  2. beliefs

  are the governing body, 8 pope-ettes, just jealous?.

  what group of people doesn't want their finest minds to be educated?

  (facepalm) .

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  wokeup

  Lois you have a pm.
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  So what IS wrong with higher Education?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are the governing body, 8 pope-ettes, just jealous?.

  what group of people doesn't want their finest minds to be educated?

  (facepalm) .

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  wokeup

  Open up any Watchtower, the literary obfuscation... the absence of the writers' name, source materials, bibliography, appendix,

  quotes taken out of context, one dictionary states...referring to yourself in the 3rd person etc... would get you a big fat F in English I.

  The critical thinking skills learned in the social sciences, psychology courses alone would clash with the

  black and white thinking cultivated at the kingdom halls. The fallacious reasoning, that's a whole nother story.

  So yes, the Watchtower leadership feels very threatened by tertuary education. It empowers the mind.
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  A cult of Sociopaths undergoing a makeover

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  cult members are property.. living property consisting of non-persons and non-individuals with disabled self-expression.. the tool used by this religion to control a member's desire to self-improve is attaching guilt as a stop-sign and crying: "disloyal.".

  like any owned property, you are under the total control of others.

  any wrong move, word or deed can label you a "danger" to the group-think.. there exists in such an authority structure only three possible stats you can achieve.. 1.compliant usefulness in carrying out assigned missions.

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  wokeup

  Doctrinally perhaps, but the push for uniformity in appearance remains strong

  in my locale. I chose to grow my beard out 6 months ago. After being seen in public, 2 elders to came

  to my employment. The look on their faces was priceless. (Hadn't been to a public

  meeting in sometime) Anyway, I told them I had a skin condition and it was exacerbated by my razor ;)

  One of them actual said it looked good on me. Haven't seen them since.
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  I know this sounds crazy but, what if?

  by earthfire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been thinking about my jw family members a lot lately, especially since i just saw them a couple of weeks ago at my youngest sisters wedding.

  with all the current animosity towards apostates that seems to be more aggressive than usual it hit me when i saw this posted on fb today.

  would it be possible for the gb to demand that jw's kill apostates?

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  I don't think it's too far a stretch. These men feel they are administering God's visible representation

  of the kingdom here on earth via th WBTS. Second, they believe they are not only heaven bound but will come down

  at Armageddon and SLAY every man, woman and child that did not put faith in their words and

  disseminate religious periodicals unwaveringly.
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  2013 Watchtower, July 15 - CHARTS for discussion

  by bats in the belfry in

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  Pterist, logically the great crowd/other sheep only fit in the picture if they are wheat.
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  Questions Regarding the New Light on the FDS

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's my understanding that the old light regarding the faithful and discreet slave was that in 1918-1919 jesus appointed the faithful and discreet slave over all his house.. but under the new light, it's a two-stage process.. now the "truth" is that in 1919 jesus appointed the governing body to provide spiritual food in due season and the gb will only be placed in authority over his domestics during the great tribulation.. all of this is wt nonsense, but in order to get jws who believe this stuff to think about the implications, my questions are:.

  1. what will the future appointment authorize the governing body to do that is not yet authorized?.

  2. since under the old light the governing body has wrongly believed they have had this authority since 1919, doesn't this mean they have been wrongly exercising authority that jesus hasn't yet given them?.

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  I've been mulling over the nu lite on the current watchtower leaders revised historical and theological premises. Much has already been said but have to throw in my 2 cents.

  I noticed sometime ago the Society quit referring to the founder and 1st president CT Russell as founder and said the Jesus founded the 'Truth". Then a couple months ago referred to Russell as the 1st 'editor', theologically demoting him.

  NOW he has been theologically castrated by inferring that CT Russell was NOT a faithful slave nor anointed and the Watchtower Society wasn't even God's organization for 40 years till 1919!

  It seems logical that the next step for the governing body will be to attach profound theological significance to Rutherfords' release from the Atlanta state Pen in 1919 more than ever, especially since nothing else happened that year. Perhaps nu lite on the Cedar Point Ohio conventions as well.

  My 2 cents worth
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  Dear watchtower bible and tract society, governing body, and all of your twisted teachings...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after today's watchtower study which was basically a mind controlling article about shunning your loved disfellowshipped ones, i've come to see just how sick, twisted, vile, rotten, repulsive, disgusting, and just plain evil you all are.

  so i stormed out.

  i don't know if i'll ever come back to your meetings again.

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  wokeup

  This article is classic mind manipulation. If a member is disfellowshipped for ANY reason, that person 'left Jehovah'. They kick you out, but you're the one who left. For example, if I told an elder that I will not teach an opinion or falsehood from the watchtower leadership as 'truth' and do not 'repent' I have 'left Jehovah' because they proceded to labeled me and excommunicated me.

  What's worse, the members are conditioned to think they are making Jehovah happy by acting as enforcers for the leadership, 'take your stand against the Devil'.

  Who's Spirit is really at work here?